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    Most antenna cables that plug into the back of TVs are about 12mm in diameter and the other end either just plugs into a wall socket or screws into into the wall socket.

    A friend has a Samsung Smart TV that he has up to now just used online connected to the internet but now wants to also receive free to air TV. Unfortunately the aerial socket on the back of the TV is not the normal one but a much thinner socket about the thickness of a pencil.

    I have contacted Jaycar and a couple of other TV places and they know of the smaller sized sockets and plugs but do not sell anything or adaptors and suggested going to Samsung.

    Before I do that, and suggestions of where I might be able to buy these smaller sockets - I am in NSW.

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    Wes components list them : bn39-01154q

    Why would they do something so stupid?

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    Looks a lot like an RCA connector. Wonder if one would fit.

    Notice Wagner shows that item as discontinued and no longer available.

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    Thanks for those tips - as indicated Wagner no longer sells them and they are not getting any more.

    I rang a few of the local Samsung service centres and most are closed and the one that is open did not know anything about these connectors and cou;d not help.

    I rang Samsung Australia spare parts division but they just referred me to the service centers I had already called.

    So - any other suggestions?? I looked at an RCA plug but they are a bit big. I do actually have a RCA (male) to TV Rf socket cable but as indicated is a tad too big. I suppose I could solder wires to the central connector and to the outer connector on the plug on the TV then connect a standard connector to these wires but I would prefer to exhaust other options first.

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    Just post a photo if you can. Its got be normal pal type connector or an F connector

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    It's a 7.5mm coaxial socket in the TV....

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    Here re some pics

    Connector Information



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    An Adaptor


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    On advice from my local tv repairer I tried a RCA to Pal converter but it is too big. The male side of the connector is about double the diameter of the hole in the Tv socket and the outer contact is about 20% larger than the diameter of the outer diameter of the TV socket.

    This is the socket on the TV - unfortunately no reference but the outer diameter is about 80% of a RCA and the inner diameter is about half that of the probe of a male RCA connector.

    Was going to put in a pic but then option to put a pic in from the computer is not there - was in my post above but not for this post.

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    Did you contact Wes components as they still list them?

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    This has to be one of the dumbest things any TV manufacturer could do.

    1. Build a TV with a non-standard antenna connector.

    2. Discontinue availability of the only adaptor that fits.

    My suggestion: Using a coax flylead with a female PAL connector on one end (or F type is you use F type connectors in your home for antenna outlets)

    1. Strip the other end of the coax and fold the centre conductor over itself a few times to build it up to the thickness to fit snugly into the centre pin of the socket.
    You could put solder on it and file into shape better, but providing it's a good fit, is won't matter.

    2. Insert it into the centre pin of the socket, so it goes in until it touches the centre conductor insulation. (Note: if the centre conductor insulation has bonded foil, you will need to remove a little so it doesn't touch the centre pin)
    A small piece of heatshrink tubing over the centre pin would help insulate it.

    3. Fan out the outer braid of the coax to cover the outside of the TV connector and secure it with a couple of small cable ties. (You probably couldn't solder onto the outside of the connector as many are made from aluminium, and most cables these days also have aluminium braid. There is also the risk of transferring to much heat onto the circuit board the connector is attached to.

    4. Cable tie the coax to the TV somewhere for strain relief.

    5. Cover the exposed braid with self amalgamating tape, heatshrink tubing or electrical tape.

    You've now made an adaptor which you can plug any standard flylead into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoe View Post
    Did you contact Wes components as they still list them?

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    Yes - unfortunately they only sell wholesale or to the trade. They referred me to Wagner as their retail arm who no longer sell them.

    The text of an email I got from them.

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    WES is a distributor of electronic parts and accessories to the Electronics Industry, supplying ongoing and Bulk Orders.


    For one off or Hobbyist orders/enquiries, you may contact our Retail Division, Wagner Electronics to place your orders.



    Best Regards,

    Monti
    WES New Online Ordering Now Available!

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    MTV - thats for that information - was very much along the lines I was thinking. I was just hoping that a Samsung connector would readily be available but I guess not so I will have to make something as you have suggested.

    I very much appreciate the effort to help.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoe View Post
    Did you contact Wes components as they still list them?
    I did respond earlier but the post seems to have gone walkabout.

    Yes I did contact Wes - they responded by indicating they do not to retail sales (basically bulk and ongoing orders) and referred me to their retail arm which is Wagner and of course they not longer sell the connectors.

    Thanks for your help - much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtv View Post
    This has to be one of the dumbest things any TV manufacturer could do.

    ... Build a TV with a non-standard antenna connector...
    I quite agree.

    One wonders how this was approved for sale by the regulator.
    AS 4933.1-2010 specifies either a Belling Lee Type or F Type 75 Ω female connector.
    I know that AS 4933.1-2010 has been superseded by AS 4933:2015; therefore, I am unsure whether the requirement has been changed.
    Perhaps someone with access to the current standard may be aware of a change?

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    I think that connector may have been some sort of European standard and those TV's were a cross import.

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    Ok just to close down this issue.

    I have no luck with locating a connector - Samsung (Aust) do not sell them, none of there Authorized service agents have heard of them and have advised Samsung cannot supply them. Antenna installers have never seen them, not sold by electronic parts suppliers like Wagners or Jaycar etc.

    So not wasting any further time on this.

    A very helpful antenna installer suggested to take a standard piece of antenna coax, peel the outer shielding back so it cannot touch the copper wire inner core then expose about 15mm of the copper core and just push it into the TV socket hole and tape it in place - should work fine as long as the TV is not moved around which it is not.

    So I will try this.

    But I am sick of trying to locate this and getting the run around particularly by Samsung - a terrible company to try and deal with.

    Thanks to everyone for the comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitzo View Post
    A very helpful antenna installer suggested to take a standard piece of antenna coax, peel the outer shielding back so it cannot touch the copper wire inner core then expose about 15mm of the copper core and just push it into the TV socket hole and tape it in place - should work fine as long as the TV is not moved around which it is not.
    Which is what I suggested to you above.

    You still have to connect the outer braid of the cable to the outside of the connector as well, not just the inner wire.

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    What about pulling the back off the TV and soldering a proper connector (on a bit of cable, of course) to the dodgy socket.
    I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

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    Just to finish this - just cutting the insulation back on the central copper core of the antenna cable and pushing it in the connector hole worked fine - too easy. No need to also connect the copper shielding to the outside of the connector. Now all works great.

    What I had not noticed before is that the RYW sockets on the back of the TV for AV in are also only half the size of normal RCA plugs = totally weird - this TV must have been a grey import originally.

    Thanks for all the input

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