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    In this situation, the government is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. It's not as though Pandemics are a regular occurrence and we know what does and does not work in this circumstance. Look how the road rules have changed over the decades since the motor car was first released on the world. Heck, they are still changing the rules..... At least, with a disease, there is a good chance of finding a cure. Try and cure some road users. IYKWIM!
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    You know...one of the local petrol station attendants had a 'normal' common cold and sore throat ; 'how refreshing' I thought ~ everyone still thinks she's got covid, despite testing negative to a rats test twice per day (she works at 2 locations)

    Will we ever bring back 'the common cold'..? =)

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    Nephew developed a heart condition after 2 Pfizer injections, doctor said nothing to worry about, after a period of not being able to get going of a morning went to a heart specialist, answer yes but nothing to worry about, finally after 4 months went to another specialist at Monash who said he was the 6th patient of the day with the same complaint and he (and the Health Dept) was aware of the problem
    Evidentially Health Depts are aware that this is a problem and are keeping mum about it as they figure those with the complaint number less than Covid deaths!
    It is over 15 months and he is still suffering
    Incidentally he has been told he will progressively get better over time, he is 50
    Read an article re 4th injection, a specialist in the UK said don't get it, as there is a build up in the body of some thing (can't remeber, acronym PSS or some thing) that is or may become worse than Covid itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah-Those-Old-Days! View Post
    May I ask, without judging, what Governments, like ours here in Australia, would gain by supplying any such miss-information in the 1st place???
    Surely their 'intentions' could only be helpful, and as factual as possible, in the 1st place?? Of course there is always the Deceptive & Conning side
    of arguments, (from those that oppose), but what could be their motive, considering the actual Costs, and of our present/future livelihoods ???
    One thing is SURE, that if we did nothing, there would be a MASSIVE backlash, if/when the proverbial Shit hit the Fan!!! "You did nothing!!"...
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    Certain 'People' like to quote such events as "The Plague", saying the likes of... "It stopped on it's own didn't it??"... WTF???...
    Umm... Yea... (after education), and the lives of 1/3 of Europe??? When I was back in School, we also had "Polio" shots. I don't remember
    it being optional... Would YOU like to meet the people who have had Polio, and explain your incredibly informed 'reasoning' to them???
    I think some people need to SEE those who have suffered, and maybe then their 'righteous' thoughts will shift to those who have SUFFERED.
    I hardly know where to begin with this, but I'll make an attempt.

    At the height of the early pandemic when they were closing borders, I remember former senior minister Graham Richardson saying on TV that "fear sells". Premiers Mark McGowan (WA), Stephen Marshall (SA), Anastasia P-Z (however it's spelled of QLD), Peter Gutwein (TAS) and Cheif Minisier Michael Gunner (NT) all encouraged their populations actively and in writing to ratify their border closures. They ALL fostered a fear of something that needed none, with the sole purpose of being their states saviours and getting re elected. What they did in effect was to turn their backs on their fellow Australians for their own political purposes.

    Let me be clear..IMHO, these people are cowards and traitors, nothing more. They shunned the rest of us as did everyone who voted for them. Never in ANY wildest scenario would I have imagined that an Australian government of whatever flavour would not allow a baby to cross a border for medical treatment as happened on more than one occasion. The same goes for the sick in general. The same goes for people dying without comfort of family members. ALL due to irrational fear fostered by these governments and the vast majority of the media. The media in particular were criminal. The ABC predicted 250,000 deaths. The Nine media, 200,000. Murdoch 250,000. THEY WERE ALL WRONG!!! But these scum sucking politicians used these Black Plague like figures to scare everyone.

    Daniel Andrews (VIC), Gladys B-Z (however it's spelled of NSW) and Andrew Barr (ACT) closed virtually no borders. Barr and Gladys had virtually no lockdowns either with great results. I personally think Daniel Andrews in Victoria was a disaster for Victorians, but he resisted strongly shutting out the rest of the country. Good or bad these three held the line as far as I am concerned and deserve cudos for it.

    To equate this pandemic to Polio is absurd. Polio was a delibitating condition that lasts for life. 99.4% of Covid suferers were fine, with age and pre existing conditions in large part determining any symptoms.


    I could go on, but it boils my blood to realise that political greed has ensured that Australians are no longer united. This isn't the freedom that my old man and his mates trapesed around the jungle for. I know my dad (a proud West Australian) would have just said to me "why did we f*cking bother?"
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    Good or bad these three held the line as far as I am concerned and deserve cudos for it.
    Make it two who held the line.
    Dan created 5km borders around people houses six times so no way you could see Australia as one country from down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fromaron View Post
    Make it two who held the line.
    Dan created 5km borders around people houses six times so no way you could see Australia as one country from down here.
    I get what you are saying, but I'm referring to the state borders. Within Victoria I believe he was a disaster, but he stayed the course as far as the country goes. That's my view anyway.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    To equate this pandemic to Polio is absurd. Polio was a delibitating condition that lasts for life. 99.4% of Covid suferers were fine, with age and pre existing conditions in large part determining any symptoms.
    There is ever growing evidence of the effects of ‘long COVID’, where patients initially recover however have ongoing effects that can be clinically confirmed as having resulted from COVID.

    One recent study published here late last year (led by Monash Uni) found 20pc of COVID-19 suffers died within 6 months of recovering, with 40pc of survivors suffering a permanent disability, and 71pc of suffers reporting ongoing persistent symptoms (ie long COVID).



    Ironically, those percentages are in line with the affects of polio. So comparisons between polio and some COVID variants may actually be quite accurate.

    Now the caveats here are that the study related to those 61yo and older, and the data was collected during the height of the initial variants (not Delta or Omicron). However those 61yo and above equate to almost 25pc of the entire Australian population.

    So while polio had a greater affect on the young, COVID had a greater affect on the elderly.

    What that study does show is that COVID-19 was a very serious illness that did (and still does) have long term effects. It’s also fair to say that Governments were right to try and prevent the spread of those earlier variants.

    Long term studies on later variants (that ended up infecting most of the population) are still in the pipeline, but it’s reasonable to assume that some long term effects will continue to be felt by large numbers of these people, even though the initial illness may not have been as severe.

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    The link to the study is already above, but here is the link to Monash Uni re the study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteramjet View Post
    There is ever growing evidence of the effects of ‘long COVID’, where patients initially recover however have ongoing effects that can be clinically confirmed as having resulted from COVID.

    One recent study published here late last year (led by Monash Uni) found 20pc of COVID-19 suffers died within 6 months of recovering, with 40pc of survivors suffering a permanent disability, and 71pc of suffers reporting ongoing persistent symptoms (ie long COVID).



    Ironically, those percentages are in line with the affects of polio. So comparisons between polio and some COVID variants may actually be quite accurate.

    Now the caveats here are that the study related to those 61yo and older, and the data was collected during the height of the initial variants (not Delta or Omicron). However those 61yo and above equate to almost 25pc of the entire Australian population.

    So while polio had a greater affect on the young, COVID had a greater affect on the elderly.

    What that study does show is that COVID-19 was a very serious illness that did (and still does) have long term effects. It’s also fair to say that Governments were right to try and prevent the spread of those earlier variants.

    Long term studies on later variants (that ended up infecting most of the population) are still in the pipeline, but it’s reasonable to assume that some long term effects will continue to be felt by large numbers of these people, even though the initial illness may not have been as severe.

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    The link to the study is already above, but here is the link to Monash Uni re the study.

    Interesting...NSW prevented the spread of the earlier variants (after the Ruby Princess debacle) without any closures or lockdowns...the vast majority continued to work.

    The ACT the same...I travelled to and from Sydney continuously during the worst of it for my eldest daughters treatment without any problems.



    When we have "leadership" like this I don't think it matters what we do quite frankly.
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    Let us not lose sight of the fact that COVID in it's early stages was an unknown. Governments could only act upon the advice they were given. They were damned if they did, and would have been damned if they didn't. Hindsight is always wonderful. We could rant on for hours about what should have happened and what might have happened. Remember, You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people any of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Let us not lose sight of the fact that COVID in it's early stages was an unknown. Governments could only act upon the advice they were given. They were damned if they did, and would have been damned if they didn't. Hindsight is always wonderful. We could rant on for hours about what should have happened and what might have happened. Remember, You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people any of the time.
    Agreed. There are many "keyboard warriors" that criticise how the government acted in the early stages.
    It's easy to criticise after the fact and from looking and observing from various angles and lessons learnt.
    In the heat of the battle, there was no rule book written on what to do and how to do it. Each step was a trial, just like the vaccination.

    Sounds a bit like Aussie Rules where TV viewers observe umpire decisions from 10 different camera angles, slow motion, zoomed in, rewind-fast-forward, yet complain when umpires get a call "so-called" wrong in real time without the umpire stopping the play and watching numerous replays.

    It doesn't matter how professional/non-professional you are, anyone bellowing they have done nothing wrong or have never made an incorrect decision at any stage in their life, is telling porkies.


    IMHO - where we got it wrong was the federal government didn't own the initial problem of the ship docking in Sydney. Whenever any international arrives, it is the jurisdiction of the federal government to handle immigration, customs, quarantine..., not the responsibility of any state/territory. If I arrive on a plane from overseas, I am met by federal agencies (immigration, customs, AQUIS, AFP...). There is no difference to arriving from overseas on a ship.
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    Got it again, very faint line.....

    Not sick at all, bit wooly in the head, slight cough and slight fever....

    First time I was unvaxxed, just a bit wooly in the head and lost my taste...

    Funny how it's worse after double Vax....

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    Interesting...NSW prevented the spread of the earlier variants (after the Ruby Princess debacle) without any closures or lockdowns...the vast majority continued to work.
    You must have a very short memory enf!

    Starting early March 2020, NSW started to restrict movements and gatherings. By the end of March 2020, NSW residents were in compete lockdown and required to remain at home. One could only leave for a limited number of reasons. Everything was closed, apart from essential stores, and kids were learning from home.

    That lockdown continued until June 2020, a full 3 months. At the time, NSW had the toughest COVID restrictions in the country.

    NSW then closed the border to Victoria. This started in July 2020 and continued all the way through to November 2020, 5 months. Other movement, gathering and business restrictions were in place during this time.

    Parts of NSW went into lockdown again in December 2020, with a good portion of Sydney in lockdown through to January 2022. Same again with people housebound, businesses closed. Throughout that time there were other restrictions preventing movement.

    Then from August 2021 full lockdown (ie stay at home) restrictions commenced one again. Again, one could only leave for an even stricter, limited number of reasons. Everything was again closed, apart from essential stores, and kids were again learning from home. This continued through to October 2021, a full 3 months (some regional areas were released sooner).

    Over a period of 20 months, NSW residents spent 6 months in complete lockdown (8 months in some areas) with significant restrictions at other times. To say there were no closures in NSW is completely inaccurate!
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    That clown McGowan has extended emergency powers in WA till January....




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    Quote Originally Posted by Xplorer View Post
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    IMHO - where we got it wrong was the federal government didn't own the initial problem of the ship docking in Sydney. Whenever any international arrives, it is the jurisdiction of the federal government to handle immigration, customs, quarantine..., not the responsibility of any state/territory. If I arrive on a plane from overseas, I am met by federal agencies (immigration, customs, AQUIS, AFP...). There is no difference to arriving from overseas on a ship.
    No, thats not what happens at all. The responsibility for the Ruby Princess lies with NSW Health. One of the 3 initial deaths in the ACT was a good friend of mine, and had been a passenger on the ship with a girlfriend. She said that it was NSW Health that gave everyone permission to leave the ship. They caught connecting flights and caught ubers and such. Her friend was never infected. Where we got it wrong I think was national cabinet....a disaster.



    The ABF only has legislative responsibilities for the Customs and Migration Act to clear vessels and people travelling from overseas ports.

    No ABF officer had authority to make biosecurity decisions in relation to the Ruby Princess, including about pratique. The ABF responsibility does not include preventing the disembarkation of passengers or crew for human health reasons.

    The ABF’s responsibility is to ensure that no one enters Australia with contraband and all passengers and crew are either Australian citizens or have an appropriate visa.

    Any misinterpretation by ABF officers of test results did not make a difference as to whether passengers were cleared to disembark the Ruby Princess. Human health is not the responsibility of the ABF.
    Now, whether it should be responsible for this is a question for the future. I'm sure it will be discussed when the federal government changes and they seek to blame the Morrison government for everything. Thats what I expect to happen because thats what politicians do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoe View Post
    That clown McGowan has extended emergency powers in WA till January....




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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    Give'em the power and they can't let go....
    Have a look at the video from cabinet.....

    'if we don't do this people will die'

    Really, there are 8 people in intensive care with covid, none on a ventilator in WA.

    Of those 8, who knows how many are in there because of covid. They could all be car accident cases who just happen to be covid positive.

    But as usual the media are concentrating on the daily numbers, not the fact that hospital admission is down by percentage.

    On a lighter note, my rat test is clear this morning and I feel fine, just hayfever....

    Maybe those generic antivirals do work on covid, both times I've had covid its been very mild and gone in 2 or 3 days....

    As I used to be a regular visitor to Asian bars, I keep generic antivirals for PrEP in stock. Don't know if they helped, but certainly didn't hurt......

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    Default currently have covid

    I have returned positive to covid yesterday
    symptons were a few aches and slight headache for about 24 hours
    I currently feel good and those symptons have gone and feel my normal self again
    I am not vaxxed as I think its a waste of time as it does not work.
    I have had colds that were a lot more severe than having covid and I think that
    what these governments have done should be held to a judicial inquiry as i believe
    they have pandered to the drug companies.
    Now all my family have had covid and it seems like the ones that caught it first
    were vaccinated and the ones that had the worst symptons were the vaccinated
    and that there are the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoe View Post
    Have a look at the video from cabinet.....

    'if we don't do this people will die'

    Really, there are 8 people in intensive care with covid, none on a ventilator in WA.

    Of those 8, who knows how many are in there because of covid. They could all be car accident cases who just happen to be covid positive.

    But as usual the media are concentrating on the daily numbers, not the fact that hospital admission is down by percentage.

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    Only just visible this morning, I'm back to normal, well as normal as I get... ...

    Funnily enough, my Hayfever symptoms have been worse than covid this week.
    Snotty nose and stinging eyes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by band59 View Post
    I have returned positive to covid yesterday
    symptons were a few aches and slight headache for about 24 hours
    Out of curiosity - why did you bother testing at all? Did you test for such symptoms before covid?
    If you tested just to keep others around you safe then you simply could stay home while symptoms are there - like before.

    I know a lot of people tested positive with mild symptoms gone after 24 - 48 hours just contributing to the big numbers which are used by media to scare people off.

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