New cars, just as much boredom ~ DRS has to go ~ so do those stupid looking rims that remind me of a space-saver spare.
I see more racing at the kindergarten sand pit with Mattel HotWheels cars and no track =)
New cars, just as much boredom ~ DRS has to go ~ so do those stupid looking rims that remind me of a space-saver spare.
I see more racing at the kindergarten sand pit with Mattel HotWheels cars and no track =)
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Initially I thought DRS (Drag Reduction System...where the rear wing can open to reduce drag) was a dumb idea too but I can now see why its there.
Modern F1 cars mostly rely on aerodynamics to race these days and much less on the motors.
Last year Mercedes won the constructors champion and Williams was way at the rear...both had Mercedes engines. The difference was the millions poured into aerodynamics in the Mercs.
Because of that you now get cars where it is basically impossible to pass when one tucks in behind the other as the turbulent air lowers the performance of the trailing car.
Without DRS you would have a trail of cars that were in the exact same order as the starting grid...now that is boredom
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That's why 'push to pass' is a better notion IMO......where you can use power anywhere on the circuit to pass but are limited to how many seconds of extra power you have ....instead of these DRS zones that seem to me to be set up in the exact place to provide a few seconds of racing.
It -used- to be a power sport (most motorsport was), but now they're got so many rules, regs and tech shoved up their arse, now all we get a high speed event of constipation....
want more excitement? MotoGP
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Bound to be OT here but we can run with it ~ hard to compare the two sports really ...no pit stops for one, and the fact that less than around 5% of aussies ride bikes. I can sit a watch motogp with my niece, and we'll both enjoy watching it ; this is because we're both riders even though we're 50 years apart in age. I know many riders who have zero interest in car racing ; most drivers I know have zero interest in motorbike racing ~ it is what it is.
It's a perspective thing -- we can all appreciate physical sports, because we all know what it would take to put one's own body through the same sort of thing -- if you've never ridden a bike, you have no idea what bike racing is -- try explaining to someone what it feels like to pop a wheelie or power-slide out a corner, if they've never ridden a bike. Most bike riders can drive as well, so there isn't such a disparity when it comes to watching car racing...they just find it boring. In both cases, hardly anyone who watches these sports has any idea what it's like to race on slick tyres -- they're only looking for 'visual entertainment'.
That said, there's better racing in F3 and moto3 than there are in the premier classes...so what's the point?
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Agree 100% wotnot, I love watching the bikes! And riding them, too. never did race, though.
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Yeah, the first 2 races (everything watchable when ever you wish on fullmatchsportsdotcc, motoGP too) were not particularly exciting except for a few moments but the cars look cool with the 'truck' tires.
The fact that they can chase each other much more closer does make a difference.
I don't see a problem with DRS as they yo yo past each other, it is entertaining.
Somehow with the new cars they have managed to level the playing field, or Mercedes just stuffed up, great
I am looking forward to more interesting races. Don't like the boring night races where you just see cars driving along a fence, scenery is important too.
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LOL...all good...and to be succinct, I don't dislike the sport -- I'm more appalled at what it's become.
DRS sucks because you could be in a car with better cornering performance, and better short distance acceleration, and -could- pass the car ahead of you, if you had that extra performance offered by DRS -then-....and not just down the straights because your car's slower in a straight-line/top speed.....because you've set it up to have better corner speed and faster short distance acceleration. That's why DRS sucks IMHO -- at worst, it only offers and advantage to cars trimmed for best top-end speed, and thus dictating where drivers can/can't pass --- at best, DRS zones are always setup where there's a grandstand full of people ... F1 *used* to be -racing- ; now it's become an entertainment event.
Just going back to (street) bikes for a moment --- for most riders, about the only thing with 4wheels that's anywhere near as fun as riding a bike, is a go-kart...and back in the day, the 'ultimate' go-kart *was* the F1 car...super low to the ground, wide track with big rubber, short wheel-base with an engine having stupid amounts of horsepower...they were twitchy, on the edge the entire time, and just watching the drivers keeping on top of the car control --was-- the entertainment (apart from trying to guess when the next ferrari mill would grenade =) The cars have gotten longer, heavier (Chapman would shoot them all =), just like how F1 technology has flowed into street cars...the '98 model Corolla is 20% lighter then the new Corolla, and the older car had a rebuildable engine, and the newer one comes with a disposable motor...thank you F1....not...
Then there's sound -- sound stirs emotion ; the modern F1 cars stirs no emotion via sound -- they sound little different from a Qld Highway Patrol KIA Stinger in full pursuit. Watching an F1 car pulling a pole position quali lap of 2min : something, stirs no emotion in me like watching 2min : something of this...
..even a bike rider is going to hear that thing, and go "wow!"...the induction roar, the screaming exhaust note, the babble&cackle as it overruns during downshift...a thing of beauty, glorious noise....and F1 used to be the same, when you heard them racing, the DFV v8s, the v10s and v12s...and the flat 12 ferrari ...every single one was a different instrument in the symphony of an F1 race...now all gone, with everyone running a v6 that sounds like a muffled fart =)
Big rubber, short wheelbase, and stupid horsepower....and believe me, there's just as much technology getting these things to run, as there is in a F1 car...difference being, these machines weren't designed for this purpose..
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LOL, I think I will pass.
Back to F1, like it or not things never stand still. What(not) you call racing is not just going around in circles anymore but more about complex strategies.
DRS IS great because you have to plan ahead with each track and try to set things up in the cars, a bit like thinking 10 moves ahead in a chess game.
DRS gives a car with less straight line speed/power but better cornering abilities still a chance to win.
As for old cars vs new, have a lot at the Mini !
They are not heavier because they adapt F! tech, they are simply all just bigger.
I love all the F1 tech in my PHEV, most awesome thing I ever had.
Yeah go karts are fun and the best way to learn racing. The entire Schumacher family would fully agree to that, if they could.
I didn't live far away where Schumi and his brother learnt to drive.
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LoL...all sorts of impressive, even the turbo compressor stall is impressive ~ when 200ms of full power is too much... #respect ... the 'formula' (rules®s) for those is really tight - you have to use stock crank and engine block, and stock transmission ; you can go wild on cylinder head, forced induction..etc.
That's Pro-Stock diesel....Super-Stock alcohol is even fiercer (yes, convert the diesel to run alky)....they're running 120 to 150bar boost, the numbers are incredible...and when they grenade, well...
For all the technology, F1 is boring by comparison 8)
Says it all really...take note of the size of the older cars... =)
Senna's hard and aggressive driving style (that was required to bypass the major flaw of any ICE really) sadly didn't work for him in 1994 either.
Cool and calculated driving of today is probably one reason why drivers stay alive, thanks to the hybrid electric component that can allow good torque without a lead foot.
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Monaco (The Jewel) tonight might be for the last time:
So alone for historic reasons I will watch live even if slot car racing might be more exciting. Then again some rain might spice things up.
I never understood that silly chicane after the tunnel, surely there could be a way to allow over taking there.
Monaco seems to be very stubborn, so they might rather stay snobs and give up on F1 than cave to the F1 suggestions.
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I've never seen the point of Monaco, there's simply no space to race, let alone pass ~ it really is one of the circuits 'stuck' in the technology of it's hey-day ...I was just watching the Porsches....not even those cars/drivers can make a race of it looking to pass... stupid..
...it's getting to the point IndyCar is a better watch....(and I never thought I'd say that)...just because they're on a shorter chassis with big power, and the driver's are always catching the car and actually driving the things...
It is all about eye candy. Highest possible speed in a tight CBD is just fun to watch.
On this track the cars look huge when seen from above with all the people standing around, some one made a comment that it is like riding a bicycle in a living room but mighty fast bicycles
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