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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    @Ah-Those-Old-Days, to quote somebody who quotes them self:

    I am not unsimilarly mad(negating a negated word is proof in the pudding) and I get some of Wotnot's points but I am also biased (because he is in reality a really nice guy) but we all have our moments and want to speak our mind. I also appreciate attention to detail.

    I would go so far to see at least some Aspergers there, we can get insulting sometimes without meaning to, just the way we express things we want to say which I see as a true form of freedom of speech.

    The crux of the biscuit may not so much be against you but more concern that your efforts about a specialised music topic would be in vain with this crowd here.
    Wotnot and I disagree sometimes but I never feel insulted, unlike some shady members like Al Bundy, who regularly just picks me out to insult me. As an example my sig(in red) below is a quote from a typical response from him but maybe he is right. I don't care.

    ...and to quote our Master Admin from the past: "Harden the f### up", well I am still working on that but despite my exposure to this forum I am afraid I never will.

    Anyhow AH-Those-Old-Days, don't give up on us.
    I think both you and Wotnot are true upgrades here
    Yep, pretty much agree with all that...except the Aspergers part....best I can figure it, I put that down to those days long ago when it was fashionable for an 'under performing student' to be diagnosed with (then) 'A.D.D.'....and your dad takes you to a special doctor behind your mum's back, enforcing rank not to tell her...and you get this course of little white pills...which you abuse somewhat innocently as a kid thinking 1 pill makes you this much smarter, so surely more pills makes you even smarter...fill in the gaps from there, m'kay 8)

    Anyhoo...back to topic...this is what I was chatting about previously....music notes being a pretty global language....this is fascinating stuff, so many different notes/sounds aurally speaking the same words in different languages...

    <- broken

    edit: ha...there you go, can't put YT playlist URL inside tags ...exposed playlist link as it only makes sense if you listen to 5-10secs of each one, and decide which is your favourite =)

    edit2: ...that's so broken.... play the center playlist 'EAS alarms from around the world'..
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    I also get "insulted" by some members here, the sad thing about the printed word is you cannot tell the intent. Often it is just good natured jesting, but without body language no one can really tell. I've mentioned the "L" word here a few times and gotten "crap" for it. But it is all taken (and I'd suggest) and given with good intent, it's all water off a duck's back to me. The "L" word? is Linux. We have a few Linux users here and it is definitely in keeping with the Technology aspect of the forum. For laying crap, head over tot he football tipping....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    I also get "insulted" by some members here, the sad thing about the printed word is you cannot tell the intent. Often it is just good natured jesting, but without body language no one can really tell. I've mentioned the "L" word here a few times and gotten "crap" for it. But it is all taken (and I'd suggest) and given with good intent, it's all water off a duck's back to me. The "L" word? is Linux. We have a few Linux users here and it is definitely in keeping with the Technology aspect of the forum. For laying crap, head over tot he football tipping....
    LoL...I had a completely different 'l' word in my mind until you defined it... 8^) This is going to be OT here but demonstrative at the same time ; I live in a rural area, horses are a big thing around here...riding, training, studs and spelling etc etc...country.western.folk.rock are the preferred music genres. Some person into horses in this regard, will ask me "Do you like horses?", and my reply will be "Sure! They taste great in spicy Dutch sausages!" ...I'm only being both truthful and honest...but you can form your own mental picture about how that answer plays out in the minds of other people. Here...I don't even have to reply to the OP's last post, because both yourself and fester have already done as much ; in fact it was old'mate fester that twigged me to the fact that my intent could/may be misconstrued, and I addressed that...and yet OP chooses to read it all with some negative bias 'beyond my control'...ie; have I seen ppl react very badly to the horse meat sausage truism?...hell yeah....but enough of this ; OP has decided to misinterpret and/or misconstrue my intent no matter what I type, so I'll just 'have to live with that' as the colloquial saying goes.

    Who of us used to scan the shortwave bands with their receiver, for some late night ? Many radio stations had identifying call signs/musical jingles that were all unique ...I had a hunt about the web, and found an archive of some of this material, again showing another way music notes speak a global language..ie; news from home or abroad --> ...that's really cool ~ when I scrolled down and played the Radio Australia recording, it was like wow, a flashback in time....when I was young and out west in NSW, they relied on shortwave radio, and I knew to tune the radio set to that song, before the news and cricket coverage broadcasts began...seems so long ago..

    Later on, Kraftwerk did a track '' using the EU radio id news jingles as the underlying motif.

    At the moment wrt EAS alarms, I think the 'stand out' example is that of Japan, that country being the only one that's suffered a nuclear attack, and their EAS alarm is that little tune reminiscent of a gameboy

    Wrt footy tipping...Al already knows I prefer to watch girls jumping about in skirts playing netball 8^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    "Do you like horses?", and my reply will be "Sure! They taste great in spicy Dutch sausages!" ...I'm only being both truthful and honest...
    Actually Belgian. Never saw horse meat in Holland at Albert Hein or other general shopping places but it was almost everywhere when I went shopping in Liège.
    I did try the salami, it was tasty and very little fat.
    Edit: I may have eaten horse sausage with chips in Holland in takeaways in the south (near Belgium). Just not fresh in supermarkets like in Belgium.

    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    Who of us used to scan the shortwave bands with their receiver, for some late night DXing? Many radio stations had identifying call signs/musical jingles that were all unique
    The pirate radio ships Radio Veronica and Radio Caroline and the many jammers from the GESTAPO in East Germany (mainly targeting VoA) bring back some 'musical' memories of my earlier teens.
    Very exciting to rarely get Australia.
    Only had a 'pocket' transistor radio with Middle and Shortwave(all squashed on one small horizontal dial, every 0.5mm a different station) but did plenty of tricks to improve reception using a metallic bed frame, central heating grounding, etc.
    With that arrangement Radio Luxemburg was so strong, a pointy diode, a capacitor and a piezo(crystal) earpiece would suffice, which I often used to fall asleep at night.

    Requiring music to fall asleep eventually became an addiction and in my later teens I would be using the old reel to reel tape recorder my dad gave me(I always got his old stuff when he upgraded), mostly playing Pink Floyd so I could sleep SOUND.
    The machine would make an awakening clunking noise when it ran out of tape, so I had a timer to disconnect the mains from the machine before that happened, which was probably not so good for the pinch roller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Actually Belgian. Never saw horse meat in Holland at Albert Hein or other general shopping places but it was almost everywhere when I went shopping in Liège.
    I did try the salami, it was tasty and very little fat.
    Edit: I may have eaten horse sausage with chips in Holland in takeaways in the south (near Belgium). Just not fresh in supermarkets like in Belgium.
    Ahh, didn't know they originated in Belgium...(the ones I had we bought from the Dutch shop in Acacia Ridge, Brisbane)...makes sense though - my Dutch g/f told me they were from NL, but she grew up south of Breda, and there's a lot of cultural exchange in the south.


    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    The pirate radio ships Radio Veronica and Radio Caroline and the many jammers from the GESTAPO in East Germany (mainly targeting VoA) bring back some 'musical' memories of my earlier teens.
    Very exciting to rarely get Australia.
    Only had a 'pocket' transistor radio with Middle and Shortwave(all squashed on one small horizontal dial, every 0.5mm a different station) but did plenty of tricks to improve reception using a metallic bed frame, central heating grounding, etc.
    With that arrangement Radio Luxemburg was so strong, a pointy diode, a capacitor and a piezo(crystal) earpiece would suffice, which I often used to fall asleep at night.

    Requiring music to fall asleep eventually became an addiction and in my later teens I would be using the old reel to reel tape recorder my dad gave me(I always got his old stuff when he upgraded), mostly playing Pink Floyd so I could sleep SOUND.
    The machine would make an awakening clunking noise when it ran out of tape, so I had a timer to disconnect the mains from the machine before that happened, which was probably not so good for the pinch roller.

    We had a TEAC A4300 with auto-reverse filled with ambiance ...it kept on going and going and going.. =) Longest DX I ever caught was from South Africa.

    I though of another set of music notes that pretty much everyone around the world over a certain age will remember all too well.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    I also get "insulted" by some members here, the sad thing about the printed word is you cannot tell the intent. Often it is just good natured jesting, but without body language no one can really tell. I've mentioned the "L" word here a few times and gotten "crap" for it. But it is all taken (and I'd suggest) and given with good intent, it's all water off a duck's back to me. The "L" word? is Linux. We have a few Linux users here and it is definitely in keeping with the Technology aspect of the forum. For laying crap, head over tot he football tipping....
    Hi there mate... As I put in bold, in what you said above, I wholeheartedly agree! and have been saying that for a long time on 'Forums' etc...
    'Mere Text' can TOTALLY miss such things as 'Inflection of Tone', 'Tongue in Cheek', or remarks that are just 'In Fun' with a wink! etc etc.
    That being said, sometimes, (and am not talking about this post/topic), one doesn't need to be Einstein to occasionally read 'Between the Lines'!
    Sometimes, I think that people are rightfully adept at detecting those 'between-lines' words, as much as what is being 'said'....

    I don't want to be 'At Words' (excuse the Pun! hahaha), with person 'abc' or 'xyz', as I 'literally' don't have time now. The term... "Life's
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    only if paragraph after paragraph is written in almost 'Legalese' that I internally question intent?, but that is behind me now, believe it or not.

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    This should be an obvious one for those old enough to recall it, yet another example of music notes that are (or were) a pretty Global language.....





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    That second video sure shows the 'Swing' in morse code but it is also kind of creepy.
    The dude is also creepy but the vocal interpretation of the di dahs separating the letters in minor thirds kind of creates a dramatic atmosphere.
    Creepy but cool.

    I wonder if a truely musical kind of morse code could be simplified and way more faster if music intervals where used, like the simple diatonic scale which everybody can comprehend and hear the intervals with only a little practice.
    At the start of the interval the 440Hz is transmitted for a couple of seconds for the receiver as tuning reference.
    Then starting with a dot with that music tone for A we actually have the the letter A.
    B played as dit on the scale is the letter B and so fourth until G.
    Then back to 440Hz but now using a dash for H to N.
    O then starts with dot dash, V dash dot.
    Numbers are just single dots and dashes played an octave higher or just use the accidental notes(sounds then Chinese, LOL)

    Sounds complicated?
    Not at all.
    What happens here is that you would create short melodies for each word and you will quickly learn to recognise standard words by those melodies.

    But a CW transmitter can only send on/off signals and not a different pitch?
    Not true, you could actually slightly detune the transmitter in the right steps every time you play the note using a PIC micro or something, so in relation to the BFO of the receiver they will be played back correctly.

    The input keypad could be a small section of a music keyboard but could also be an actual qwerty keyboard where the PIC micro also handles the dot dashes for the ultra lazy but where is the fun in that?

    I will never be able to comprehend proper morse code but music intervals are much easier to hear.
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    In my teenage years, our neighbour was a HAM and morse key proficient, taught me all sort of interesting stuff about it....like the fact that we tend to treat the sound of morse code as a monotone, but in actual fact they're not always the -same- tone....ie; the acceptable frequency range for morse is/was 3kHz to 25kHz. Many of them used to hack their oscillators, to individualize their morse tone frequency so they 'stood out in a crowd'. Indeed, he used to say to me that you could tell a specific operator, just by the style and timing of their keying...akin to individualistic intonation of voice. I really really gave it much thought, until I heard an auto morse keyer (and later computerized morse keying), and it was then that I got his point ~ one could clearly discern whether there was a person, or a machine, keying the morse code ~ with enough practice, I really do imagine you could pick out a particular operator.

    I can't personally recall any instance of someone keying morse code with each letter tuned to a different (chromatic scale) tones ... it probably contradicts the purpose of using a monotone in the first place, but you used to encounter a similar thing listening to more code on shortwave/sideband, where the tone would rise/fall in frequency/timbre in sympathy to the waxing & waning of the received signal...had a certain magic about it =)

    However...wrt your pondering above, I figured somebody else would've already gone there, I just had to come up with the right search string....



    Close to what you were contemplating 8)


    Your detail above, reminded me of something else....was fairly localized to the US, but gained a global understanding by virtue of teevee syndication ... and is coincidentally aligned with the focus of this forum ....the television series from the 70's called 'Emergency!' expound the days&lives of the L.A.F.D .... the sound in the firehouse paging a call to service ; who remembers these music notes? B^)



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    Remember, Morse code was developed in the early days of electricery and the only concept then was on or off. It was a relay that opened and closed. It is only in recent history (WWI thereabouts) did Morse code become a sequence of tones transmitted over the ether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Remember, Morse code was developed in the early days of electricery and the only concept then was on or off. It was a relay that opened and closed. It is only in recent history (WWI thereabouts) did Morse code become a sequence of tones transmitted over the ether.
    You can say that about a lot of things that make music notes, it's all wrapped up in 'epoch events/moments' (in time) ; you could reference the electric guitar like this (or an electronically amplified instrument), and although ppl think of the tin whistle as a traditional instrument, it's history is quite short..relative to whistles throughout time. Even the call of '' is a relatively modern thing.

    How about an obscure source of music notes?.....edit: and it is 'electrickery' ..(Catweasel =)
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    No arguments there wotnot. As to spelling, you are correct, I should proof read better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    No arguments there wotnot. As to spelling, you are correct, I should proof read better!
    Catweasel never contemplated the mobile telling-bone 8^)


    Yet another expression of topic....


    C D E F G A B
    Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti
    261.63Hz 293.66Hz 329.63Hz 349.23Hz 392.00Hz 440.00Hz 493.88Hz

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    Volcanos that's an interesting one. Between 16Hz and 0Hz there are still infinite octaves for music unhearable for us.

    Could there be music in gravitational waves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Volcanos that's an interesting one. Between 16Hz and 0Hz there are still infinite octaves for music unhearable for us.
    Could there be music in gravitational waves?
    I don't know about 'music', but so many times, the likes of 'Dogs' seem to detect looming anomalies!!!! Bloody hell, they can smell Drugs, Money,
    and even Cancer cells in people!!!!

    They put my CATS to shame, who only 'detect' 'morning movement', and associate it with FEED ME!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Volcanos that's an interesting one. Between 16Hz and 0Hz there are still infinite octaves for music unhearable for us.
    Indeed...we're talking infrasound here ; a while back I was reading an article about how to setup a seance room/haunted house/ghost hunt using infrasound, because it engenders a sense of uneasiness in ppl ...from wikipedia - "In the second concert, the pieces that were to carry a 17 Hz undertone were swapped so that test results would not focus on any specific musical piece. The participants were not told which pieces included the low-level 17 Hz near-infrasonic tone. The presence of the tone resulted in a significant number (22%) of respondents reporting feeling uneasy or sorrowful, getting chills down the spine or nervous feelings of revulsion or fear." ...even though most ppl cannot hear it.

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    Could there be music in gravitational waves?
    In theory, yes, but I'm not sure if we have the technology to measure it ...yet....so related ->

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    Indeed...we're talking infrasound here ; a while back I was reading an article about how to setup a seance room/haunted house/ghost hunt using infrasound, because it engenders a sense of uneasiness in ppl ...from wikipedia - "In the second concert, the pieces that were to carry a 17 Hz undertone were swapped so that test results would not focus on any specific musical piece. The participants were not told which pieces included the low-level 17 Hz near-infrasonic tone. The presence of the tone resulted in a significant number (22%) of respondents reporting feeling uneasy or sorrowful, getting chills down the spine or nervous feelings of revulsion or fear." ...even though most ppl cannot hear it.
    Hahaha... You made me remember an old episode of "Myth Busters", where they 'experimented' with finding the suspected "Brown-Note" !!!
    Being the frequency that causes one to loose control of one's Bowels!!! He stood between a massive array of powerful speakers, wearing a Nappy! haha...
    It didn't work!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah-Those-Old-Days! View Post

    They put my CATS to shame, who only 'detect' 'morning movement', and associate it with FEED ME!!!
    Not the Siamese cat I had 30 years ago, who suddenly started panicking and literally pushed me out of the house and then 10 seconds later we had a minor earthquake.
    Now after this discussion it has become clear to me that she must of heard/sensed some threatening infra sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Not the Siamese cat I had 30 years ago, who suddenly started panicking and literally pushed me out of the house and then 10 seconds later we had a minor earthquake.
    Now after this discussion it has become clear to me that she must of heard/sensed some threatening infra sound.
    With cats & dogs, they figure infrasound is at play (same with aquatic animal life) ~ with birds, they're still trying to work out whether Geo-magnetic disturbances are involved....which points back to electromagnetism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah-Those-Old-Days! View Post
    Hahaha... You made me remember an old episode of "Myth Busters", where they 'experimented' with finding the suspected "Brown-Note" !!!
    Being the frequency that causes one to loose control of one's Bowels!!! He stood between a massive array of powerful speakers, wearing a Nappy! haha...
    It didn't work!!!
    I hit brown notes all the time. Fortunately the rest of the band think I'm improvising. Half the time, the key they tell me is just not the key they are playing in. Like saying a song is in E because the first chord is an Em which, looking at the rest of the piece it actually resolves within a couple of bars to C major. That being the problem when you are the only member who knows ANY theory or how to read music. And I cannot pay by ear, so I NEED music.
    I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

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