Hay all
I’m not sure if it’s just my perspective however there seem to be a large increase in increase in the number incidents that Qantas is involved in be that regarding bagging or emergencies with the aircraft themselves.
Is this a sign of issues with how Qantas is running?
Possibly with cost cutting?
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According to the media, just 2 weeks ago Qantas was awarded the safest airline in the world award, moving from 7th the previous year
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Read that. (took a second or two to get the Dustin Hoffman thing)..
A former Qantas captain on the 800 said the mayday call was a little unusual, and indicated the concern of the pilots, although they didn't alert or alarm the passengers.
Sh!t happens...especially to complicated machinery.
I'll wait for some definitive information, especially given the medias sensationalist tendencies.
The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.
I am glad that the Civil Aviation Safety Administration doesn't take a Sh!t Happens approach to these sorts of incidents
Both Boeing and Airbus have prescribed service schedules that are in place to prevent mid air failures like this for components on an aircraft. put simply Sh!t just happening is considered unacceptable in the aviation industry.
Looking at the images of the engine it appears the trust reverser cowling is damaged and or absent. i wouldn't think this is caused by a thrust reverser deployment as there is multiple valves in line that prevent the deployment mid flight. for the simple reason that a mid flight deployment of the trust reverser will result in an asymmetrical lift imbalance that will ultimately result in loss of control of the aircraft.
when they perform the investigations they will usually try to determine what caused the failure, more often than not it is caused by improper maintenance procedures or improper operation of the aircraft itself than manufacturing faults with the aircraft.
Naaah...sorry, but what you are describing is best practice prevention. But STILL, sh!t happens. There will ALWAYS be failures. Of components, of people, and occasionally of design. Air travel is easily the safest way to go, despite the occasional accident. My wife and I always fly Qantas and probably always will.
The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.
Keith (20-01-23)
I get what your saying however when a manufacturer says Part X must be replaced at Y interval using Z procedure and an operator decides not to adhere to the manufacturers guideline, what that operator is doing is gambling passenger safety for the sake of profit.
The airline could get away with that gamble without an issue however I as a passenger absolutely wouldn't knowingly fly with a carrier doing that. additionally Qantas has no reason to do that given how much they charge and the profits they have recently posted.
This video gives what happens when maintenance on an aircraft is overlooked.
red star (19-01-23)
There are incidents somewhere in aviation every day.
Most go unreported in the media.
Qantas is still up there with the best in regards to crew, but it is a bit concerning with offshore maintenance these days.
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bob_m_54 (20-01-23),Keith (20-01-23),shred (19-01-23),Uncle Fester (19-01-23),wotnot (25-01-23)
....and the greenies never jump up and down about the tonnes of fuel dumped over the pacific just offshore of Sydney =)
gulliver (20-01-23),red star (19-01-23),VroomVroom (20-01-23)
Yeah, but thats a design fault (software or hardware) that they didn't pick up on. Or, more accurately, didn't WANT to admit they got things wrong
It's been my observation recently (perhaps delusion) that large organisations like political parties, authorities, large companies JUST WILL NOT admit they made a mistake, and in fact will double down on the error. Sometimes at tragic cost.
Your Boeing example is such a case IMO.
The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.
Here a list of 115 incidents (or shit happenings) from Qantas for your reading pleasure:
Please note that a Qantas 737-800 (not the same registration) had an engine shut down only 5 months ago also coming back from New Zealand.
Hard to say if they are more common since Alan Joyce decided to save a buck with outsourcing to get even more bonus and remuneration for his 'expertise'.
One might be inclined to say Qantas just got lucky for their safety record.
I don't fly with Qantas due to their unacceptable amount of cancellations compared to Rex, ah yeah and also the cost.
Since the retirement of the 747, I have no desire to fly longer distances anymore overSEAS!
2 engines means simply not enough redundancy for me.
Airbus 388 is slowly getting the boot too for cost saving.
I experienced an engine shut down in a Philippine Airlines 747 in 1996.
There was also a lightning strike on the same flight.
It flew all the way to Germany without a hitch.
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Again, by your own statement there is no evidence that doing maintenance overseas has caused anything at all!!
Joyce was attempting to save a broke and dying airline....not saying he has been brilliant or anything, but he seems to have achieved that goal.
AND what is "cost cutting" but doing things cheaper....how do you know it's worse? I don't see any evidence. All this while moving from 7 to 1 in the safety stakes....seems ok to me, at least on the surface.
I am a domestic flyer only, so I'll defer judgement on overseas travel to you and others.
The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.
The Max 8 was a mechanical decision that they tried to compensate with a computer program, evidently not well written
Boeing tried to save money by not going thru full certification by modifying an existing jet
The problem, unlike Airbus was the Boeing wings are lower than Airbus (Airbus were evidently aware when designing their planes) and they could not get the new generation motors under the wings, so what they did was push the engines forward and up, and as you have probably worked out by now, destabilized the aircraft from it's original design.
Evidently they could not make or claim to not be able to make the landing gear longer for some reason
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Since this thread I noticed numerous issues with Qantas flights.
Another engine problem:
Fumes in cabin:
And this one is amusing, it had to return to the airport because the paperwork was not correct:
That report mentions 7 midair turnarounds in one week but does not give the details to all of them.
Qantas spokesman says they average 60 turn backs a year.
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