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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Sadly, it won't matter how many missiles, subs, row boats or rainbows we have. If we decide to withdraw from the various treaties we now have and "go it alone" without the support from our allies, we'll become another Ukraine. Russia has invaded Ukraine because of their independence. The surrounding countries have the support of the NATO alliance and Russia has be careful to avoid that. The downing of the US drone over the Black sea could well be Putin testing the willingness to act on behalf of the US and its allies. If he thinks he can get away with that, then he might well try other "minor" infractions. Sadly, we have neither the population, nor the capability of defending the vase emptiness that is the majority of Australia.
    Israel seems to manage fairly well with 10,000,000 odd people. Yes, it's smaller of course, but committment can take you a fair way. We're just too slack and consumed with bullsh!t, and as such we have absolutely NO chance without allies.

    Whether they are reliable or not is another question, but the choices are slim aren't they.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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