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    Which is why I said "theoretically" and also mentioned relativity. Time was when people thought that we'd never fly and that any speed above 30mph would cause your body to explode. Until we can find, and harness, a particle that does transcend light speed we are definitely limited to the speed of light as an absolute. Could you imagine one of the early settlers (convicts) of Aust, suddenly being dumped here in the 21st century? EVERYthing would seem like magic, and impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Which is why I said "theoretically" and also mentioned relativity. Time was when people thought that we'd never fly and that any speed above 30mph would cause your body to explode. Until we can find, and harness, a particle that does transcend light speed we are definitely limited to the speed of light as an absolute. Could you imagine one of the early settlers (convicts) of Aust, suddenly being dumped here in the 21st century? EVERYthing would seem like magic, and impossible.
    Even if we did as you say we do not consist of such unknown particles.

    We already know what particles we consist of and can even predict those we haven't found yet and I am sure you would not enjoy the loss of integrity by being converted to some quantum energy spaghetti thingy in a rotating helix 12 dimensional environment to make use of a hypothetical FTL drive.
    No kidding, our lecturer for applied maths already went though all this with us at UNI in the late 70's.

    We baby boomers(and before) had already laid down the framework for everything we have developed in the 21st century.
    What we do now is proving or disproving all that(mostly Einstein based) and sometimes turning what we already knew into something useful.

    You can not even remotely compare that to the time before Leonardo Da Vinci designed a helicopter because the only explanation for Life the Universe and Everything back then was God.

    I can only think of one mystery where we could still be stuck in those old days and that is dark matter.
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    Yeah, I'm going to say Theoretical does not equate to possible.
    "Time was when people thought..." Those thoughts were based on ignorance. They did not have evidence or reasoning to support the claim.
    Relativity on the other hand says, no faster than light.
    If you want to invoke Tachyons you either need to demonstrate their existence or explain how they exist and fit into the framework of relativity.

    "...being dumped here in the 21st century...."
    And I can repeat this experiment and take you from now to 2150. You're going to see magic. But you're also going to be capable of understanding how the magic works when explained to you.

    You can do this with just 30 years. You could show me a samsung S9 in 1990 and I would think it was black magic. But at the same time you could hand me the white paper for it and all its components and I would have no trouble understanding how it works. What we know now doesn't directly negate the evidence that leads to it.
    The classic example is Newtonian Physics and Relativity. The latter doesn't negate the prior. It compliments it and builds on it.
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    Heavy metals like gold and uranium in my opinion are the most likely matter ejected from a black mass from the poles ,faster than light and probably they start to slow down at some point far away from the black mass and become visible again as they rain through galaxies like the milky way .

    This leads me to speculate that all gold on earth is from such sources in our galaxy whether we have just one black mass or many in the Milky Way. Also I wonder at the size of the nuggets ejected or conglomerated in space as to whether there would be a size limit ?
    Possibly not but it has been shown that most alluvial gold in rivers and such usually originates from one particular area . Dunno whether that's scientifically correct though . There seems to be lots of it mixed with quartz so that points mostly to volcanic actions ?

    Enriched uranium ,mm I'd like to be enriched by some quick gold nugget finds. You will tell me if you find any won't you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tytower View Post
    ...mm I'd like to be enriched by some quick gold nugget finds. You will tell me if you find any won't you.
    Of course it is my pleasure.

    I found most of my Gold in the Perth Mint and later the occasional nugget on Ebay.
    Considering I 'found' most of it around 2005 for the cost of $600 an oz and today it is $1800 oz, I have additionally 'found 2 ounces' for every ounce I initially 'found' doing absolutely nothing.

    If I had waited for warp speed gold nuggets flying down from space, ejected from a black hole I would still be a poor man.

    I hope you read the article in your link.
    It suggests that heavier elements may be formed and ejected from the accretion disk, not out of the black hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trash View Post
    If you want to invoke Tachyons
    Don't mention tachyons, I mentioned them once, nearly got away with it!
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    As I have said many times . We have no idea of the effects on atoms that type of black mass would have


    It now has shown up as predicted that atoms frozen to absolute zero would tend to be invisible . Given that gold and uranium are extremly dense material this is possibly another reason we can not observe the outpouring streams at the poles clearly.

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    Y'know I am really stumped by the capacity of some people to just blindly believe in a fact even though the obvious truth is staring them in the face . Its like that with religion and I've discussed those sillies here who knock anything that does not follow what their preacher told them after speaking to God that morning at breakfast.

    With some sensible science buffs they accept some crackpots theory about something and stick with it because it sounds good but they have not really thought it through .

    Such is the case with this accretion disk proposal . It all sounds good but on thought...

    As material builds up on the outside of a black mass it increases the gravitational pull of the mass . Any matter that comes into an area around it defined by the "event horizon " will fall in and add to the mass . It takes quite a bit of work mentally to try to visualise this in three dimensional space and the models are useless really . Think it through in your head what this would look like to someone who had just passed the event horizon .

    They ain't coming back out ! They are falling and nothing will stop them . That is where the pressure is and thats where all the ejected matter is coming from . The poles of that mass that they are just about to get smashed on..

    So what's the likelyhood of some matter like an accretion disk existing anywhere inside the event horizon ? Its bunkum again. Outside the event horizon ...possibly but there is nothing coming back out of there so I don't see where it fits . just imaginary bunkum designed to keep the research funds coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tytower View Post
    A new player has entered the game!

    As I have said many times . We have no idea of the effects on atoms that type of black mass would have


    It now has shown up as predicted that atoms frozen to absolute zero would tend to be invisible . Given that gold and uranium are extremly dense material this is possibly another reason we can not observe the outpouring streams at the poles clearly.

    Anything near the highly energetic accretion disk could never be 1/100,000 the temperature of interstellar space.


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