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    Quote Originally Posted by agarol View Post
    I disagree! The public gamma doesn't look like an Atmel chip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by agarol View Post
    I disagree! The public gamma doesn't look like an Atmel chip!

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    Do you mean different physically or from what you can read off it?
    I have one of each and they look identical physically.

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    I don't have a seller's card, so I can't compare one with the other. All I said was that the chip on the old public gammacard doesn't look like an Atmel chip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrElectricity View Post
    Thats right it's not, as I said.
    Do you know what each card is then? That would be interesting!
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    Sellers say Sellers cards are not Gammas, Sellers use a version of loadme not sure which one, but apparently floating around the net is one with the bin's. I have seen one program cards, and they all load with different HSN's on them. Gammas don't load with loadme. This is what I have been told, the stream is logged and about 100meg file is sent overseas and someone extracts the details HSN,Prov etc over there then sends appropriate files back to the seller. Not sure what info they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Dogg View Post
    what i think personaly.. i believe the seller, and the gamma are all part of the at90sc family..
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Dogg View Post
    fact is gamma card is a at90sc7272c card.. and rumors ... the sellers was formaly a at90sc6464c card.. which would explain the slight tint on the plastic (factory)..
    Not certain about that. It's possible they can choose from several similar cards, depending on what is available, and program them with either a Sellers or Public OS.

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Dogg View Post
    they even tryed to confuse people by moding the atr to that of a AT88SC0204C..
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Dogg View Post
    however i also believe the os on both card would have to be close as both emulate irdeto..
    Exactly, Sellers OS just seems to be an updated, more secure version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzBlackKnight View Post
    ...depending on what is available, and program them with either a Sellers or Public OS.
    I'm interested in this. Are you saying that it is definitely possible to put either OS on both cards?

    If so, that means the blank cards are the same, and IF the public gammacard is a non-Atmel chip, then the sellers card is also non-Atmel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agarol View Post
    I'm interested in this. Are you saying that it is definitely possible to put either OS on both cards?

    If so, that means the blank cards are the same, and IF the public gammacard is a non-Atmel chip, then the sellers card is also non-Atmel.

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    I'm not saying it is DEFINITELY possible, but I think it is quite likely looking at the code of the different loaders.

    I'm also fairly certain they are Atmel chips, although I suppose it is possible they have faked this info also. I couldn't imagine the sellers and Public OS cards not being from the same chip family.

    What makes you believe the cards aren't Atmel?

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    If the gamma team was good enough to crack ird-2 and extract details then they can modify thier code to fit many cards

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzBlackKnight View Post
    I'm not saying it is DEFINITELY possible, but I think it is quite likely looking at the code of the different loaders.

    I'm also fairly certain they are Atmel chips, although I suppose it is possible they have faked this info also. I couldn't imagine the sellers and Public OS cards not being from the same chip family.

    What makes you believe the cards aren't Atmel?
    It doesn't LOOK like an Atmel - ie there are no trademarks that indicate Atmel. It looks unlike other Atmel chips, has numerous unused pads around the perimeter which more resemble microprocessors (Motorola or other manufacturers). And the major identifying text is "HS14.0606".

    I would really like to read some hard facts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Dogg View Post
    they even tryed to confuse people by moding the atr to that of a AT88SC0204C..
    correct me if im wrong.. cheers all
    I don't think the ATR was programmed to confuse people. As I read before, the AT90SC family chips do have different reply to reset based on the current mode.
    When the card is unlocked to be programmed, it returns the above mentioned ATR which is a valid reply. It indicates that the card is in a secure EEPROM mode.
    I am sure someone who managed to lock and then unlock the card can correct me here, as this is only my theoretical understanding of the process. I've never done it in practice.

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    if anyone has any questions within which i might be able to help.... you know where to find me.. cheers
    sometimes you gotta deal with it

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    i agree with agarol the gamma card is not an atmel. agarol can you upload pics of the ic you are referring to if you have any.
    Has anyone tried Dpa on the gamma it seems to be a good candidate for this type of attack because of the high power it consumes when decryptying the payload

    regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragons View Post
    this question i will find out saturday 1/11/08. from what i have been told from this seller chances are they are the same card just different gam files used ie not public details
    so whats the verdict dragons....we wait with baited breath
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    Im Waiting For The Dude To Come Over. Missis Just Smsed Me And Tells Me He Is Visiting His Cousin And Will Come Over Tomorrow. Will Post Tomorrow Im Eagerly Waiting Too. People Dont Worry I Will Tell U If These So Called Sellers Cards Are The Same As Gammas Im Not Gonna Be Secretive Like All The Other Pricks Out There Trying To Make A Tonne Of Cash.
    My Sellers Card Is Still Firing F**k Austar Its Farking Full Of Repeats And Farking Commercials So Why Are We Still Paying For It Cause Where Lifeless Idiots

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    Tell him to hurry up mate so I can pull my sale of eBay

    When you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all

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    well then thats that.. good work best
    sometimes you gotta deal with it

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    dragons, are you hamguy's brother ?

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    Hmmm ... still waiting for the verdict

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    hes coming over soon ive been hung over all day waiting

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