That's good news mate, I'm so disappointed in the Jade image for the DM800, green screen of death every few days causing me to re-flash itOriginally Posted by jonc
the DM500/DM600 images are so good too!
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thanks, flashing now
I am pretty sure that I have proven that a DM800 will destroy an orange NDS card if used in the internal front slot.
It's either the heat, the clock,the firmware...who knows...I've run out of oranges.
so...unless you intend to use a smargo etc...be warned.
Uh oh ! Sounds like number 4 then ?
Thanks for the heads up - I won't be pursuing any further experimentation.
no genue / no clone all same
Please stop the LIES and let be be happy with any box all box works equal clone or not clone .... THE DREAM MULTIMEDIA GMBH manufacture the box everywhere in china that's why there is many version in the market and Chinese normally will try to sell direct as now market is open its fault of DREAM MULTIMEDIA .... i test both box one come from Germany and one come from china they are the same no difference all show tv , accept plugins . addons ..... so why we talk about clone and genuine ??????
They are all the same for me
There can be PLENTY of differences between genuine and clone that won't show up in your tests. That's well understood in other fields. To illustrate:
Blank DVDs
When buying plenty of people choose Princo or Ritek instead of Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim. Why would anyone pay twice the price for the same thing?
They both burn at the same speed and print the same. When I burn and verify them side by side both work fine. What's the difference?
The difference is that in a few years time the cheap ones will have than the more expensive ones. Numerous studies have shown that.
Processors
It's well known that Intel processors of different speed grades are all made by the same process but some turn out better than others. They're tested to a certain level, sorted and priced. Overclocking often works because testing is about statistics not simple pass/fail, and because higher grades are occasionally rebadged as slower ones to fill orders.
But just because you can overclock doesn't mean that speed grades are a myth. Overclocking doesn't mean it won't work, just that it will be less reliable and likely to have a higher crash rate.
Food
When you're young you think food is food and all you care about is taste and availability. It's only when you get older and wiser that you learn about nutritional value, different kinds of fat, preservatives, storage practices etc. Not all foods are equally good for you even though the portion sizes might be the same and they might be indistinguishable in appearance and taste.
Pharmaceuticals
If you know anything about the fake medications coming out of China you don't need me to explain the difference there between genuine and clone. That's not to say there aren't good quality generics with identical composition to original brand product. But fakes are real, and dangerous, and those who warn about them aren't "lying".
LCD & Plasma TVs
No-one would suggest TEAC and Pioneer have comparable quality (except maybe a Harvey Norman salesman). But when the salesman tells you that two different brands use panels that come from the same factory, does that mean the products are of comparable quality? Is the only difference a question of features or signal processing? No. Ask any repair centre and they'll tell you that there's a huge difference in return rate between models (not as much as there used to be years ago though, unfortunately).
There is MASSIVE scope for quality difference in pretty much every area of engineering. Whether it's a switch, a capacitor, a connector or a light bulb, you can find cheap ones less than half the price that behave identically when tested on the day you buy them. There can be plenty of differences though that don't show up in simple user tests, most commonly how long they last. Once connector might only be rated for ten insert/remove cycles, the other for a thousand.
Just because two apparently identical products are made in the same country, or even the same factory, doesn't mean a thing. Components being sourced by the factory could be of different grades. The circuit boards and solder could be of different grades. The QA processes, inspection rates, burn-in times etc could be different.
It's natural for us to make value comparisons based on feature lists, prices, test results and warranty periods. There's nothing wrong with that but there's always more to the story, which is why we also pay attention to company reputation, brand/model reputation, experiences of other buyers on forums and customer satisfaction surveys. Engineers make lots of performance and reliability tradeoffs when designing products to price points. The problem is that while the price and feature lists are disclosed on the box, not all of the performance figures are, and corner-cutting that affects reliability isn't disclosed at all.
By all means choose the clone, enjoy it, enjoy the savings, and tell others about your experience. We're certainly interested in your experience, especially if your performance measurements of the two have been indistinguishable! But unless you have evidence that clones are literally rebadged genuine units being sold through a hole in the factory wall, please don't tell people that clones are identical to genuine ones just because yours have worked OK and not crashed. That's bad science and bad advice. That's what we'd expect of clone sellers.
Every clone maker would have us believe that their products are equal or better quality. And occasionally they are! But not very often - and hardly ever when they're substantially cheaper.
I've said before that I'm not opposed to clones. What I'm opposed to is clones being passed off as having equal performance - and especially equal reliability - without evidence that the circuits are the same, the component grades are the same, and the soldering quality is the same. Photos (such as those posted earlier by z80) are a helpful start for drawing comparisons but what's really needed is detailed examination of manufacturer part numbers, in particular the electrolytics, coils, the rear connectors, the smartcard socket, the tuner module, the memory and the remote control. Ideally you'd also send the PCB to a lab for X-ray examination of the soldering, since poor quality control often results in dodgy joints that fracture and fail with age and temperature stress, particularly under s.
Glennsat (18-11-09)
yes i agree with your reply but here in the dream box case the German company made the box manufactured by various manufacture in china they give up how to do the box to Chinese manufacture so all are the same the box box bought from Europe or from China are the same ..... the difference in price only Europe importer want make more profit then Chinese ....
If Dream Multimedia allow local project managers in China freedom to choose part suppliers and assembly plants, as you say, then they are playing a dangerous game with risking rapid deterioration in product quality. Covert materials substitution and bribery of project managers by would-be suppliers is exceedingly common.
I don't say that as a slur against Chinese engineers or managers, I met several who were very impressive, but fierce competition and a culture of commissions and bonuses has allowed corruption to become more or less an accepted part of business negotiation over there. I witnessed that first hand in one meeting while I lived in Shanghai. "We are very eager to develop a long term relationship with your company, and eager to demonstrate the quality of our materials. We can give you a car to help you manage your project and travel between sites. Is there anything else we can give you that will help you reach your decision on supplier?"
While visiting factories in Shanghai and Shenzhen and chatting to locals, I saw several things:
- You can't distinguish yourself from competitors if you compromise on component/material quality. That means you must prevent substitution by all means.
- The local companies that win tenders with reputable western-run projects do so by investing in stringent quality control and having open door policy that lets everyone observe those controls in action. This includes carefully tracking and documenting the provenance of all materials, and clearly defining and auditing inspection standards throughout manufacture.
- You can use cheap labour only if you train and supervise the workforce appropriately, otherwise productivity suffers because work fails QC.
- Most reputable western companies manufacturing in China insist on having western project managers onsite; German managers are common.
I guess we'll have to keep a close eye on the internals of boxes DMM sell. Sourcing components from a variety of suppliers is standard practice worldwide, but if they have allowed quality to slide to the extent that sub-standard components are being substituted then their reputation will be ruined. After a while buyers will no longer ask "is a clone safe?" but instead "which of the clone makers is best?"
If you or others can provide links to high resolution close-up photos of genuine DMM PCBs and clones for comparison, or other details of part numbers being used, that will help us gauge where the clones stand. With the DM500 there were substantial differences between genuine DMM PCB revisions and clones. The DM800 is a total reboot though and is quite possibly just an unimaginative imprint of a reference design from the CPU manufacturer, a reference design that budget High Def receiver manufacturers already have experience with. That could explain the rash of DM800 copies.
AFAIK, the genuine Dreamboxes are manufactured in Taiwan.
There seem to b new Dm800's, partly with original parts.
They have "original" sim cards and run bootloader 72 with gemini 4.4.
With fan on the heatsink.
Is anyone using 1 of these and what is your experience.
great free advertising for a new web site - how long will the mods allow this remain here?
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If the patched versions of the various images are only supported and produced by this manufaturer, what do you do when they stop supporting their clone box?
There are some good arguments for buying a genuine DM800.
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They cant even afford a domain they have to use a free service with
would you trust them??
Interesting first post tsj
Maybe you should put some words like free porn so the moderator will get off his butt and maybe ban the clone poster .
Maybe you should put some words like free porn so the moderator will get off his butt and maybe ban the clone poster .
You guys need to use the 'Report post' button - It will get a mod here quicker
Spam deleted & spammer banned.
Reality is an invention of my imagination.
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vinayr (12-09-09)
what this spam did today was (to bugger it up for everyone);
See the for more details
we do not support clones with patched bootloaders in our software
if you have purchased a clone and use PLi software with it, then it most likely has a patched bootloader in it and was download off the internet and not from our site here at . Please be aware we do not condone such actions and will find it in most cases impossible to support you as the software you are using has been hacked by your clone dealer. If you have any issues please talk to your clone dealer. You can check your DM800 with the DMM Authenticity test here if you wish to or ask your dealer to do it for you.
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