Next G frequency

[eMoo]

I want to buy a phone from overseas, but Next G is a brand naem that nobody over there is familiar with, can someone tell me the frequency it runs on so I can see if the phone I want is compatible.

Thanks.

[hoe]

850/2100 mhz wcdma

[brian/100]

I want to buy a phone from overseas, but Next G is a brand naem that nobody over there is familiar with, can someone tell me the frequency it runs on so I can see if the phone I want is compatible.

Thanks.

The ones from the usa work but they must be as hoe says 850/2100 mhz wcdma

[hoe]

usa phones won't work on next g.

gsm only.

usa providers use wcdma 900/1800/1900

[bladz]

usa phones won't work on next g.

gsm only.

usa providers use wcdma 900/1800/1900

Next G operates at 850MHz only...Telstra's 2100MHz network is a sharing agreement with 3.

Cingular phones from the USA operate at 850MHz.

[hoe]

has anyone actually used a cingular phone here on next g?

[thefonejunkie]

There is 850MHz and 850 3G(Next G), they are different.

Sorry but it won't work on Telstra's Next G network!

[LeroyPatrol]

The problem is that I think we are one of only a few countries with this 'next g' network in the world hence a small market. This can also be seen by the small choice of handsets available here.

Leroy

[thefonejunkie]

Yes, as of last October i believe it was just 2, one being Australia!

[bladz]

There is 850MHz and 850 3G(Next G), they are different.

Sorry but it won't work on Telstra's Next G network!

Next G is the brand name for a 3G (wCDMA & HSDPA) network operating at 850Mhz. Look for those details when choosing a phone. easy

Beware that there are phones out there that are GSM 850 capable, these are different & wont work in Oz.

[eMoo]

ok thanks for the replies, one phone I am looking at is an LG KU990 that operates on 3G HSDPA 2100, am I correct in thinking this phone will not work on Tel$tras next G

[bladz]

has anyone actually used a cingular phone here on next g?

Yup, they work fine

[bladz]

ok thanks for the replies, one phone I am looking at is an LG KU990 that operates on 3G HSDPA 2100, am I correct in thinking this phone will not work on Tel$tras next G

you're correct. specs are;
2G Network GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 2100 <- No 850 hence no Next G

[thefonejunkie]

Yup, they work fine

It will work on Telstra's GSM network(as long as it got the 900 band in it, not all do) but can't work on Next G as it doesn't have 850 3G in the handsets!

[eMoo]

thanks for the info everybody

[Escape_from_Oz]

Global System for Mobile - GSM
GSM 850 = Will not work in Australia as there is no GSM 850 network

GSM 900 = Standard for Optus, vodafone and Telstra GSM handsets

GSM 1800 = Standard for Optus, vodafone and Telstra GSM handsets

GSM 1900 = Will not work in Australia as there is no GSM 1900 network

In terms of GSM 900 networks:

Telstra provides 96% population coverage

Optus provides 96.5% population coverage

Vodafone provides 94.5% population coverage (this is extended to 96% population coverage via Telstra GSM national Roaming Agreement in regional Tasmainia and regional Victoria)

Technically Three (3) also provide 96% population coverage via Telstra GSM national Roaming Agreement, how? several GSM 900/1800 handsets do accept the Three (3) SIM card for service provision, also if you have a 3G handset (UMTS2100/GSM900/1800) you can set the network settings to GSM only and thus get Telstra GSM coverage.



Wideband Code Division Multipe Access - WCDMA (a.k.a 3G UMTS and 3G HSDPA)

Due to Telstra irresponsibility in naming their own outright 3G network NextG they have indeed confused the entire market place (not to worry Optus are not far behind with yesG and i cant wait to see what Vodafone call their extended regional 3G network)

Ok lets take a look at 3G.

Telstra 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 60% population coverage

Optus 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 80% population coverage

Vodafone 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 60% population coverage

Three (3) 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 60% population coverage

now the hard part:

Telstra NextG = UMTS 850 which provides 99% population coverage

Optus yesG = UMTS 900 which extends the current Optus 3G UMTS 2100 population coverage from 80% to 96% population coverage (an increase of 16%) Optus will eventully drop the brand name Optus 3G and use the brand name Optus yesG once their entire population footprint reaches 98.2% (which will be around july 2010 at current rate)

Vodafone?
The new regional UMTS 900 network was supposed to be up and running this month (January 2009), however they announced in october 2008 that the network builder Ericsson was taking time to get it bug free so their new regional extension network will probaly come online sometime around June or July 2009, which will extend their current 3G population coverage (which is UMTS 2100) to 95%.

Ok now that all that BS is out of the way to answer the question:

In the USA only one major provider has UMTS 850, and that provider is AT&T (used to be known as Cingular).

In Canada the big UMTS 850 provider is Rodges Mobile.

So essentailly a 3G UMTS 850 handset from those two providers will work here (provided they are unlocked)

Or the other way round is when buying from the USA simply ask, what network band they use for 3G.

If its UMTS 1800, nope wont work here

if its GSM 850, again wont work here

If its GSM 1900 again wont work here

If its CDMA 800 or CDMA 1900, again wont work here

So what your looking for is UMTS 850.

Also you wont find any UMTS 900 handsets in USA and Canada as they dont use UMTS 900 there.

[LeroyPatrol]

Great post mate. I was having a little debate with my boss duing the week about how 3G and next G are not the same.

Leroy

[ozboz]

I understand that to be Next G compatible, a phone has to be 3G (wCDMA & HSDPA) operating at 850Mhz. Is there a Nokia N97 made anywhere that has this bandwidth (and Next G) compatibility?
Of course, sometime in the future, Telstra will bring out an N97 with this bandwidth but it's going to take ages and will no doubt be ridiculously expensive, relative to normal online prices for the N97.
Any helpful suggestions would be very appreciated.
Thank you.
Ozboz

[Escape_from_Oz]

Check your PM ozboz.

Try to track one down in the USA or Canada as they will be 100% offering the UMTS850/2100 version.

As for Telstra, you need to wealth of a small country to be with them in these days.

I was looking at their pricing for LG Arena (there version is UMTS850/2100) and well what they want compared to Vodafone/Optus and Virgin is just simply amazing overpriced.

For what? 2% extra reception over Optus and its yesG network?

No thanks, I will be looking at getting online (probably Euro stock, no big deal) for around outright $480 and simply inserting the 3 USIM into it much like I do with my current LG KU990 which is also Euro stock based.

[ozboz]

Many thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.
Ian