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    From all the reading & searches I have done it appears to me that I cannot make an Aurora Fun card with a Jaycar MKIl Programmer,

    Can anyone confirm, or deny this please,

    or Confirm what programmers can be used to make an Aurora Fun card,

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    From all the reading & searches I have done it appears to me that I cannot make an Aurora Fun card with a Jaycar MKIl Programmer,

    Can anyone confirm, or deny this please,

    or Confirm what programmers can be used to make an Aurora Fun card,

    Cheers
    Hi There,

    Dont know about the Jaycar, but "Infinity USB Phoenix" with Fmcard works great to do that.

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    From all the reading & searches I have done it appears to me that I cannot make an Aurora Fun card with a Jaycar MKIl Programmer,

    Can anyone confirm, or deny this please,

    or Confirm what programmers can be used to make an Aurora Fun card,

    Cheers


    G'Day Cobber,
    I see many others are doing it. You do need to get all the correct details first though and it needs to auto update.
    I know for an absolute fact that with ICProg and the Jaycar, that a working Goldie is readily cloned.
    Kindest Regards, " The Druid ".....

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    Thanks Guys,

    whats throwing me is that my Fun 4 Card has details of;

    AT90S8515A & 24LC256,

    not the usual Microchip PIC & IC Eeprom

    I did find the Ghost Fun files on this forum

    GhostFun Crds
    GhostFun Extract Crds
    GhostFun v1.0 eeprom.hex
    GostFun v1.0.eep
    GhostFun v1.0.hex

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    From all the reading & searches I have done it appears to me that I cannot make an Aurora Fun card with a Jaycar MKIl Programmer,

    Can anyone confirm, or deny this please,

    or Confirm what programmers can be used to make an Aurora Fun card,

    Cheers
    If you read the packet it came from it clearly states that it can't do fun cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sublib25 View Post
    If you read the packet it came from it clearly states that it can't do fun cards.


    The ways and wiles of " The Druid " are indeed mysterious and not for mere Mortals to understand.
    Perhaps an indoctrination into our cult will make you more erudite.

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    Last edited by beer4life; 16-01-09 at 01:30 PM. Reason: Just for F U N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sublib25 View Post
    If you read the packet it came from it clearly states that it can't do fun cards.
    Thanks, all the information I have read points to the Jay car can't do fun cards,

    I guess I just wanted to confirm it,

    I think I also read that an elvis programmer can make fun cards,

    & as Hannible said above a "Infinity USB Phoenix" can make fun cards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer4life View Post


    G'Day Cobber,
    I know for an absolute fact that with ICProg and the Jaycar, that a working Goldie is readily cloned.

    Very interesting beer4life,

    So you can clone (or copy) a Goldie or silver just in IC-prog

    very clever indeed, I can see how you can Program the PIC & Eeprom,

    but copying the card details in IC-Prog ?

    Can I ask does it involve using the CRD files (CRD Upload),

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
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    I think I also read that an elvis programmer can make fun cards,

    Cheers
    The Elvis most definitely can make fun cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    Very interesting beer4life,
    So you can clone (or copy) a Goldie or silver just in IC-prog
    very clever indeed, I can see how you can Program the PIC & Eeprom,
    but copying the card details in IC-Prog ?
    Can I ask does it involve using the CRD files (CRD Upload),
    Cheers

    G'Day
    All set up with .ocx files registered etc.
    In Phoenix mode/ 3.57Mhz
    Connect to PC.
    Insert Original Card.
    Read and save pic.
    Erase pic.
    XT and uncheck all
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Read and Save eeprom.
    Sw1 back to pic mode.
    Erase pic and reload original pic.
    Replace with virgin card.
    Confirm pic is erased.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Confirm eeprom is erased. (Will need to visually check all 3FFF after reading.)
    Load the Saved Original file.
    Sw1 to pic mode.
    Erase loader and confirm.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load original Saved pic.
    There are no shortcuts.
    Grab your esky full of tinnies and watch the Cricket Live.

    Kindest Regards, " The Druid "....


    Last edited by beer4life; 16-01-09 at 03:01 PM. Reason: Housekeeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer4life View Post

    G'Day
    All set up with .ocx files registered etc.
    In Phoenix mode/ 3.57Mhz
    Connect to PC.
    Insert Original Card.
    Read and save pic.
    Erase pic.
    XT and uncheck all
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Read and Save eeprom.
    Sw1 back to pic mode.
    Erase pic and reload original pic.
    Replace with virgin card.
    Confirm pic is erased.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Confirm eeprom is erased. (Will need to visually check all 3FFF after reading.)
    Load the Saved Original file.
    Sw1 to pic mode.
    Erase loader and confirm.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load original Saved pic.
    There are no shortcuts.
    Grab your esky full of tinnies and watch the Cricket Live.

    Kindest Regards, " The Druid "....


    Wow !!! (not what I expected),

    Thanks beer4life

    more things to try, (will have to buy another 20 cards now )

    Cheers mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by beer4life View Post


    The ways and wiles of " The Druid " are indeed mysterious and not for mere Mortals to understand.
    Perhaps an indoctrination into our cult will make you more erudite.

    Kindest Regards, " The Druid ".




    Time to eloborate, the JAYCAR will NOT do a fun card from blank, But when the o/s is loaded to card(Elvis, Infinity or what ever) - YES you can edit details with the JAYCAR in phoenix mode.
    Lave's multi edit comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer4life View Post

    G'Day
    All set up with .ocx files registered etc.
    In Phoenix mode/ 3.57Mhz
    Connect to PC.
    Insert Original Card.
    Read and save pic.
    Erase pic.
    XT and uncheck all
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Read and Save eeprom.
    Sw1 back to pic mode.
    Erase pic and reload original pic.
    Replace with virgin card.
    Confirm pic is erased.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Confirm eeprom is erased. (Will need to visually check all 3FFF after reading.)
    Load the Saved Original file.
    Sw1 to pic mode.
    Erase loader and confirm.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load original Saved pic.
    There are no shortcuts.
    Grab your esky full of tinnies and watch the Cricket Live.

    Kindest Regards, " The Druid "....


    that's fine if the pic is not protected, otherwise it won't work....

    just about any card reader software will copy an unprotected card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer4life View Post

    G'Day
    All set up with .ocx files registered etc.
    In Phoenix mode/ 3.57Mhz
    Connect to PC.
    Insert Original Card.
    Read and save pic.
    Erase pic.
    XT and uncheck all
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Read and Save eeprom.
    Sw1 back to pic mode.
    Erase pic and reload original pic.
    Replace with virgin card.
    Confirm pic is erased.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load bootloader.
    Sw1 to eeprom mode.
    Confirm eeprom is erased. (Will need to visually check all 3FFF after reading.)
    Load the Saved Original file.
    Sw1 to pic mode.
    Erase loader and confirm.
    XT and uncheck all.
    Load original Saved pic.
    There are no shortcuts.
    Grab your esky full of tinnies and watch the Cricket Live.

    Kindest Regards, " The Druid "....


    Congrats, beer4life,

    your technique works perfectly,

    I have just successfully cloned a Silver Card using IC-Prog alone,

    Thanks mate,

    Cheers
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    Thanks sublib25 & hoe,

    the information is appreciated ,

    Cheers mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    From all the reading & searches I have done it appears to me that I cannot make an Aurora Fun card with a Jaycar MKIl Programmer,
    Can anyone confirm, or deny this please,
    or Confirm what programmers can be used to make an Aurora Fun card,
    Cheers
    These two replies by "sublib25" had me tossed, as I knew that I could do it.

    If you read the packet it came from it clearly states that it can't do fun cards.
    Time to eloborate, the JAYCAR will NOT do a fun card from blank, But when the o/s is loaded to card(Elvis, Infinity or what ever) - YES you can edit details with the JAYCAR in phoenix mode.
    Lave's multi edit comes to mind.
    I read and reread the instructions that came with my kit and could not find what he was saying. Then the penny dropped, he must have been talking about the original kit from 2003.
    The currently available kit has been updated to accomplish programming blank cards, although still bearing the same model No.
    This is born out by this extract from the 2007 article enclosed with the current kits.
    It is hard for old fogies to keep up with the latest innovations...


    But what happens if the PIC's program (Flash) memory is blank? With no card operating system, how do we access the EEPROM? The answer is, of course, that it can't be done with this type of card (or with the original reader/programmer design).

    So how is the PIC programmed? Well, the connections between the PIC and the card contacts have been designed for dual purposes. As well as supporting "normal" operation, they also allow the PIC to be programmed in-circuit.

    Unlike the previous design, then, this new design includes the ability to program the PIC on a blank card. Of course, you can also erase and reprogram the PIC on a used card too, if so desired.
    So, although reluctant to admit it, 'twasn't my Occult Powers after all.

    Kindest Regards, " The Druid ".....
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    Thanks beer4life

    but do you think you can make a "Fun Card" for Aurora with the jaycar programmer,

    It has details of AT90S8515A & 24LC256, (not the usual, PIC 16F84 & 24C16 type PIC & Eeprom)

    & when you use your method (to Clone an existing Card, Goldie or Silver) you still have to select the correct device settings don't you,

    The problem is programming the AT90S8515A with the GhostFun v1.0.hex file

    Correct me if I'm wrong, I would love to be able to make a "Fun Card" on the Jaycar

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    Thanks beer4life
    but do you think you can make a "Fun Card" for Aurora with the jaycar programmer,
    It has details of AT90S8515A & 24LC256, (not the usual, PIC 16F84 & 24C16 type PIC & Eeprom)
    & when you use your method (to Clone an existing Card, Goldie or Silver) you still have to select the correct device settings don't you,
    The problem is programming the AT90S8515A with the GhostFun v1.0.hex file
    Correct me if I'm wrong, I would love to be able to make a "Fun Card" on the Jaycar
    Cheers

    G'Day,
    Sorry I don't have a Fun Card to try. Can't you? You're saying it can't be done.
    If you can't, tell me why in IC-Prog 1.06A, that 90S8515 and 24C64 are listed in the programmable chips.
    Seems I do have Occult Powers after all.

    Kindest Regards, " The Druid ". ....

    PS: YES, I did find it eventually;
    Note: this project will not work with any Atmel-based cards, such as the "Fun" card.
    Last edited by beer4life; 18-01-09 at 12:55 AM.

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    Because ICProg supports the following programmers;

    JDM Programmer (Ludipipo) - (What the Jaycar is based on)
    Conquest programmer
    TAFE Programmer
    TAIT 'Classic' Programmer
    Parallel TAIT programmer
    Fun-card Programmer
    SCHAER Programmer
    ProPic II Programmer
    STK200 Programmer
    AN589 Programmer
    WILLEPRO Programmer
    Fluffy2 Programmer
    DL2TM Programmer
    ER1400 Programmer

    Different programmers can handle different devices, some do more than others, you cannot program a Funcard from scratch with a Jaycar/(Ludi) programmer
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    Quote Originally Posted by beer4life View Post
    These two replies by "sublib25" had me tossed, as I knew that I could do it.

    I read and reread the instructions that came with my kit and could not find what he was saying. Then the penny dropped, he must have been talking about the original kit from 2003.
    The currently available kit has been updated to accomplish programming blank cards, although still bearing the same model No.
    This is born out by this extract from the 2007 article enclosed with the current kits.
    Nope, he was right and you are wrong, you cannot program blank Funs from scratch, Goldies/Silvers/Emeralds - Yes, Funs - No

    Quote Originally Posted by beer4life View Post
    It is hard for old fogies to keep up with the latest innovations...
    I guess the young "Whippersnappers" still have a thing or two to learn yet themselves.
    Cheers
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