TBS-3101 Phoenix interface

[mickcc]

thanks again
Where `s all this information coming from it is unbelieveable
so it ok for a Humex or Dreambox I`ve got the strong 4990.

seasons logger with a a smartcard socket be be the only way to monitor the coding of a Irdeto2 including a PC

yep was looking along mmm those lines
but more programs of logging
can only hope someones gonna have to crack it oneday - if haven`t already.
No wonder no one else bought it....
Mick

[limit]

hi....so what will be replacement of R32 with a lower then 5v dcdc IC on model TBS-3101 V1.3....????are this reader can work on 3.3v chipset card////thanks..

[gw1]

If you replaced R32 with a 3.3V regulator IC the clock oscillator would still work but the MAX232 transceiver may not work, it's really designed for 5V. You'd have to desolder the transceiver and replace it with a MAX3232. If you took those steps then it should work with 3.3V cards, but doing so is tricky 'cos the tracks will be prone to lift and be damaged by desoldering operation.

You shouldn't replace R32 with a resistor: it's intended to be an optional link, not a mechanism to reduce voltage to the card. If you put a resistor there the spikes in current drawn by processor for certain operations will cause massive supply noise, compromising stability.

[limit]

hi..thanks for the replay ...it's not a resistor..replacement of R32...it's some think like this ......



friend of mine he replace this and he's card running fine 6mhz with 3.3v card chipset and he sad he got 0.0090ms ECM and he sad card very cool.....what do you think???

[gw1]

That appears to be . Several manufacturers make an equivalent, and it's readily available online (eg , or ). If you desolder R32 and put one of those regulators in place the 3.3V card and crystal oscillator will both run fine.

The only potential problem, as I said, is you may have communication problems because the MAX232 transceiver is designed for 5V, not 3.3V. Give it a try, it will probably work. If it doesn't then replacing the MAX232 with MAX3232 should fix it.

[limit]

ok ..thanks i will replace also MAX232 with MAX3232..thanks for great info...

but you say card will run fine...i will face the communication problem...????if i have no communication with the card how do i know cart will running fine.....communication by means....data from card to serial program...???

[gw1]

Try the regulator first and see if it works. If it does then don't attempt to desolder the MAX232 as you may damage the tracks on your PCB while doing so.

If the communication doesn't work the problem will be the MAX232 transceiver, not the LM1117 regulator or the card. That's what I was trying to say The card will start up and send ATR as usual, but your PC (or dreambox) may not be able to receive the ATR if the MAX232 has trouble operating at that lower voltage. As a result the interface won't work, but the card won't be damaged by the experiment.

[limit]

great.....i will let you know soon how it's goes...i order regulator from RS all ready.......i will post the test result..here...thx a lot

[kops]

hi
under TBS-3101
can i change xtal 3.58 MHz with 8.00MHz ???
will it work ??
thanks

[gw1]

The interface will function but the speed may be too high for your card. It all depends on what card you're using. Some cards can be overclocked, others can't. Overclocking from 3.58MHz to 8MHz is a big step, much more than for cards designed to work at 6MHz.

Also the altered frequency means the card will be communicating at a non-standard baud rate. Not all PCs or programs are able to support that. If you're using a motherboard serial port with correct driver and a program that's designed to support custom baud rates then there's a fair chance of getting it to work. But several things can go wrong, as discussed .

[kops]

it's irdeto 2 card v 5.0 . friend of mine told me overclocking will solve my problem
and it's card send ecm at 190ms to 220ms when got in it load more users , it sends working ecm to some channels and fake ecm to others pic freez
i don't know wat is the problem

[LeroyPatrol]

sounds like V5 anti csing coutermeasures may be more your problem

Leroy

[kops]

any solution for this csing

[gw1]

You can run the interface at 8MHz but doing so won't help you with cards that give bad ECMs or lock up when you try to cardshare them.

Irdeto's V5+ anticardsharing countermeasure has been discussed numerous times elsewhere. Please don't hijack this thread with cardsharing discussion, thanks.

[IndiaDawn]

Does it support irdeto ACS 5.4 ??

[gw1]

Yes, that Phoenix interface at 6MHz should be compatible with all Irdeto cards including ACS 5.4.

However your Irdeto card may not be compatible with cardsharing applications. That's a separate issue.

For example suppose you're using NewCS on a PC or Dreambox and want to cardshare an Irdeto ACS 5.4 card among several receivers in your home. If that Irdeto card utilises an anti-cardsharing countermeasure, you'll have problems. Changing to a different brand of Phoenix interface won't help, because the interface isn't the problem. The problem is that the card countermeasure detects the higher-than-usual ECM rate that occurs during cardsharing.

ACS 5.4 cards support that countermeasure but not all have it enabled. Whether or not it's enabled depends on the TV service provider who issued the card. They are the ones who decide whether or not they want to enable the countermeasure. Some do, some don't, for technical reasons. Eg those who use dual-tuner PVRs generally aren't able to use the countermeasure.

[IndiaDawn]

Thanks for the valuable info

[IndiaDawn]

ok dear

I read its feature on a websites like this

1.Dimension: 60x60x15mm

2.Weight: 35g

3.Cable connection: Rs-232 for programming & USB for power.

4.Prog. Mode: Phoenix/Smartmouse

5.Frequency: 3.579MHz / 6MHz shiftable

6.Led: 1 red LED for data

now I want to know that How can I shift frequency (3.579MHz and 6MHz)

Thanks

[toor]

It has a switch.

[IndiaDawn]

Ok, then its sure that it will support Irdeto ACS 5.4 and greater??