Suggestions on Goldie issue please.

[nickbo]

I have a small problem with a goldie and am buggered if I can figure what's going on.

First time I have done this and need a bit of help.

Have a goldie progd up with GGold and it's looking healthy when I stick it in LME (as in reading the card etc)

Stick in a working Goldie and dump the keys.

Then, stick the other one in and upload. So far so good.

Into the box, scrambled channel for a few secs and then pics. All good.

Then after say 30 secs, scrambled again. I guess the session keys have been changed but then it pops back up again. Kind of goes on and off but no joy in staying on permanently.

Any ideas ?

I have also tried to build a new one with a new white/gold wafer but seem to be running into a brick wall with that too.

FYI and to make sure I am using latest and greatest-

Am using Jaycar MKII
Jaycar Gold Wafer (that's actually white but still a PIC16F84A &24LC16B)
IC Prog 1.05E
GFGold V2.2.6 Dual No Updating Coco.hex
GFGold V226 eeprom.hex
LMEdit_3

Thanks in anticipation

[osci]

Nick...first of all well done!!!

my only suggestion at this stage is to ask if you another receiver to try the card in to see if you are having the same issues? if you can and there are no issues then it may be suggestion a fault in the contacts of internal card reader of the receiver....

the other thing I could suggest is try using an earlier version of LMedit.....I hope this helps?

[nickbo]

I put it into my Hummy (the good old, rock solid test bed that it is) and it works fine with the "old gold" but not with the "newer gold" and the white/gold just comes up as card not recognised (with all this gold around, this is reading like a zamels commercial).

Will try an earlier LME.

Is there a way of finding out what version of the emulator is on the card? I am wondering if it is actually earlier than the one that is working. - But both show up as ACS1.2

[OSIRUS]

Do you get any error messages when you program the GGold files,

In ICProg does it say verified successfully, each step,

Just wondering if your using the right settings in ICProg & in LMEdit,

or could it be a corrupt file your using, or a problem with the card,

just trying to help

I have both the "Old Gold" cards & "new White/Gold" cards working Ok here

[nickbo]

Cheers Osirus.

Yup, doesn't seem to be any problem and I selected verify "along the way", no errors appeared. BUT the gold/whitey doesn't seem to work. I am interested to know if anyone has had success with it so you've cleared that up for me.

Were you using the same files and versions as I listed in my post #1 ?

cheers

[tnarg]

gold cards are cheap and nasty and are well known for being dodgy
goto jaycar buy another card and try the same thing again you,ll probably find it will be ok

[AceR]

In the past I had the same type of problem and found I had a faulty card. I'm not saying that this is your problem but it could be.

[OSIRUS]

Here are some files you can try nickbo,

(they might be the ones you already have)

Irdeto1_MOSC



Some other points that may help you:

1.In ICprog install the NT/2000/XP driver (put it in the same folder as ICprog, before installing it), (if using one of these OS's)
2.Put all the .ocx files in the same folder as the Card programs (such as FMCard & LMedit) or register them.

You could also try programing a Silver card,

some people report the new white/gold card is not as good as it once was, (but as I said I have 3 of them & they are working fine ATM)

Good Luck

[osci]

Nickbo

the other thing I forgot to mention is, the new white/gold from jaycar is much thinner than the traditional goldie.

I seem to remember some other members having a few problems like this, because the white goldie is thinner, it doesn't appear to make proper contact with card contact points of the internal reader in the reciever, both of my STR4652 & Humax 5400 don't appear to have this problem with the card but I have noticed there is a significant difference in thickness of the rtraditional goldie to that of the new type white type goldie.

but I dare say as Tnarg & Acer have stated its more than likely a faulty card.... good luck dude

[RHCP]

The card is either faulty, or the ghost gold o.s. has become corrupted.

It sounds like the plain keys are not being updated.

Send a true pk/plain-key update (in the format it would get from the cam) to the card via fmcard. If it fails to update the pk or returns a bad signature, then blank the card and reprogram the pic and eeprom and try again. If it still fails, then the card is cactus.

Note: lmedit/ggedit write directly to the eeprom memory locations via functions in ghost gold....hence a partially corrupted ghost o.s. or faulty card may still be able to perform these functions properly....but wont be able to process a true key update from the cam/fmcard.

The new yellow 'gold' cards seem far less reliable than the old gold ones.



Cheers, RHCP.

edit:

Then after say 30 secs, scrambled again. I guess the session keys have been changed but then it pops back up again. Kind of goes on and off but no joy in staying on permanently.

missed that part...if the card is making good contact with the box, then it sounds like the card is able to store one PK, but not others.

Smart cards store numerous PKs to prevent loss of service while keys are rotated - ie at least 1 key is always up-to-date and active. It sounds like your card is only correctly processing and holding 1 key (or two very far apart), and so when that key expires you will lose the service until the card is sent another key for that working key location.

I would send pk updates via fmcard to all the different plain keys ie 02, 04, 06 etc (though i think ghost uses odd numbers as well - so from 01 to 11 - in hex, so includes 0A, 0B etc)

This writes Key 06 (k6) for Provider 10 on date (dd dd) for provider Id (pi pi pi) with signature (ss) and checksum (cs)

01 01 00 00 00 1A 0B pi pi pi 00 14 40 02 dd dd 10 09 06 k6 k6 k6 k6 k6 k6 k6 k6 ss ss ss ss ss cs



If all the data is correct in an EMM and it is accepted, the card responds with a return code of just 3F. If there is an error the card rejects the EMM with a different return code.



The following are possible answers (return codes) to the 01 INS EMM commands.

01 01 00 00 3F : Command accepted

01 01 00 00 3F 00 00 03 00 00 00 : Signature OK but key no longer accepted? Provider 00

01 01 00 00 3F 00 00 03 00 00 01 : Signature OK but key no longer accepted? Provider 10

01 01 00 00 3F 00 00 03 00 40 00 : Signature OK but wrong date or no key? Provider 00

01 01 00 00 3F 00 00 03 00 40 01 : Signature OK but wrong date or no key? Provider 10

01 01 00 03 00 : Command not accepted, wrong signature
01 01 70 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong Hex serial number

01 01 71 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong Provider ID

01 01 72 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong Provider Group

01 01 73 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong Provider Group

01 01 74 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong Provider ID (not in the CB 20 string)

01 01 76 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong ???

01 01 78 00 00 : Command (not?) accepted, wrong ???

01 01 79 00 00 : Command accepted.

01 01 7A 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong ???

01 01 7B 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong Provider ID/Group/signature???

01 01 7C 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong signature

01 01 7D 00 00 : Command not accepted, Masterkey missing

01 01 7E 00 00 : Command not accepted, wrong Provider Identifier Byte - should be 00 or 11

01 01 7F 00 00 : Command not accepted, invalid nano???

01 99 00 02 99 99 99 00 : Command not accepted, wrong address (c8/9k)??

[nickbo]

Thanks all and sundry.

Plenty to play with above so will report back when i have nailed it.

Cheers

[mkhannah]

How did you go Nickbo? I had exactly the same problem as you - turned out to be a faulty card. I had a card that was a few years old and as soon as I got a new blank one - no probs.

[urban_s0ulja]

howd RHCP end up banned?

[LeroyPatrol]

howd RHCP end up banned?

yeh I was wondering the same!

Leroy

[badass]

I have an old goldie that does that and if you update it from a working goldie it will run but as you said only for a while then stops. It’s because the card doesn’t change from one key to the next. You can read Hex and write Hex and do all the things you need to the card but it’s like the program side is not running correctly. Anyway this won’t help you fix anything but maybe explain what is happening.

[gw1]

Goldies wear out after a long period of use - their eeprom memory , keys get forgotten and mistakes creep into the calculations.

Put your troublesome one in the bin where it belongs; it's as useless as a ballpoint pen that's run out of ink. A new card should fix your problem. Go for a Silver, Emerald or Funcard instead as their extra RAM means they aren't as susceptible to wear as Gold.

The trouble with some cards that are too thin is they aren't gripped firmly enough by the sides of the smartcard socket. Consequently the spring-loaded card detection switch at the rear of the socket pushes the card back out when you let go of it. If you find a card works while you push it fully in but stops when you release it, an easy solution is to fold a piece of sticky tape over each side. In some cases you may need two layers. Thickness isn't usually a problem with smartcards but it's not uncommon with seasons and season loggers.

The reason you were able to read and write the program code (hex) is because that part of the memory wasn't worn out, only the addresses containing frequently-changing data were: memory locations used to store temporary variables and perhaps the plain keys. It's like having a dozen pairs of shoes: you get wet feet wearing pairs with worn out soles, but have no trouble with shoes worn only occasionally.

[badass]

The reason you were able to read and write the program code (hex) is because that part of the memory wasn't worn out, only the addresses containing frequently-changing data were: memory locations used to store temporary variables and perhaps the plain keys. It's like having a dozen pairs of shoes: you get wet feet wearing pairs with worn out soles, but have no trouble with shoes worn only occasionally.

No it’s not that at all as stated above I can right any part of the card I want and still can. I just wrote a brief answer to the question that was asked I didn’t want to write an essay and make a lot of long-winded reading as to not bore people.

also the post stated the the card in question is new.

[admin]

RHCP will be back soon. Its a private matter.

[nickbo]

Thanks all and sundry.

Plenty to play with above so will report back when i have nailed it.

Cheers

Whoops.

Sorry Guys. All Fixed.

I wandered into Jaycar and parted with my hard earned $8 got it home and bingo, worked first time. $8 every 5 years I can live with.

Better still, my dream now does it for nothing.

Cheers