Reply With QuoteAnyone got any advice on how I can become Aboriginal or a Refugee ? I am looking at ways of paying off the mortgage and these people cant lose.
Refugee sues for detention 'abuse'
AN IRANIAN refugee who sewed his lips together while on a hunger strike in Baxter Detention Centre is suing the Commonwealth of Australia for damages.
Abdul Amir Hamidi came to Australia on a boat in June, 2000, from Iran where he had been imprisoned and tortured for several months.
Mr Hamidi, 35, claims his treatment by Australian authorities triggered a severe psychiatric illness, requiring supervision for the rest of his life.
In his South Australian Supreme Court statement of claim, Mr Hamidi says he was repeatedly physically and verbally abused by detention centre guards.
When being transferred to the Woomera detention centre in 2001, Mr Hamidi says he was left handcuffed and without water for up to five hours in stifling heat, as guards ate lunch at a roadside cafe.
He claims he was denied access to a doctor of his choice after sewing his lips together as part of a hunger strike at Baxter in 2004. A hell of a lot of Australians dont have access to the Doctor of their choice WITHOUT sewing their lips together - Sanity
During his detention, Mr Hamidi swallowed shampoo and laundry powder, slashed himself with razors, hit himself in the head with rocks and tried to hang himself.
Despite his history of self-harm, Mr Hamidi says he was denied psychiatric treatment for anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder.
Mr Hamidi says he was held in isolation cells for long periods, when "it should have been obvious that such confinement could itself cause or exacerbate psychological or psychiatric damage."
He was released from detention on Christmas Eve, 2004, after the Federal Court ordered he be put into a mental health facility.
Mr Hamidi, who is now an Australian citizen, ( And we gave him citizenship after this performance to get it , this should encourage more of the same - Sanity ) is the first detainee to launch legal action in South Australia.
Last month, the NSW Supreme Court awarded former detainee Parviz Yousefi $800,000 for permanent psychological damage suffered in detention.
In 2006, the same court awarded Iranian child Shayan Badraie $400,000 after the Commonwealth agreed to a settlement midway through a trial.
The Commonwealth has been given until later this month to file its defence.
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Anyone got any advice on how I can become Aboriginal or a Refugee ? I am looking at ways of paying off the mortgage and these people cant lose.
Yeah I wouldnt mind doing some time in a d centre for that kind of coin.
It shows the idiocy of the mandatory detention system has been managed. Chaining up and putting into solitary people who have committed NO CRIME is always going to leave you exposed to legal action. There has already been a large payout to an 11 year old boy who was abused while in detention - anyone who thought that locking up kids with hardened criminals and the mentally ill for years on end was a good idea, is clearly an idiot.
A recent inquiry found that 220 AUSTRALIANS and others with legit visa holders were wrongly detained under this system. 33 of those were wrongly deported - one of them was sent to a war zone and is missing, presumed dead. Another 23 were held for a year or more and one was held for more than 5 years. This is just the tip of the iceberg - expect a flood of compensation claims as these details come out.
The previous government did something really stupid. They basically took away most of the rights of the people in detention to appeal to the courts which led to the bizarre situation in many cases of Australian Citizens or permanent residents being rounded up and locked up for years before they were able get SOMEONE who wasn't the idiot who had locked them in the first place to check the paperwork.
As for refugees, its important to remember that for all the bluster around this issue, it is still NOT AGAINST THE LAW to seek refugee status in Australia. Actually, under Australian law, if you quailfy as a refugee (which has got tighter and harder to meet over the years) which basically means that if you have a legitimate reason to fear that you will be under threat in your own country, Australian law recognises that and will let you stay here until it is safe to go home. If you are locked in solitary, beaten and abused while you are waiting to prove that then its only reasonable to expect that you'd have a case.
Any law that sets out to punish people for doing something legal is asking for trouble.
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Yes its a top system. Just mention that if you get sent home they will kill you and you are a shoe in for permanent residency ( and citizenship for when you want to sue for some cash which can then be used to send back overseas to import the rest of the family. Hell , if they know you , they must be in danger too , its logical isnt it ? )
What a place Australia is.....is it any wonder people want to come here ? It must be the only place in the world where you can physically beat yourself up , smash your head on walls , eat razor blades and then sue the government for mistreatment. Thats after you have spat on staff , thrown faeces and urine at them and assaulted them. But you dont actually get charged for it , it just wouldnt be Australian.
What a bunch of suckers we have become , the laughing stock of scammers world wide. Its wonder Nigerians arent moving here when you can scam within the law. Its of no wonder that we are one of the highest taxed countries in the western world , we need to be to finance all the law suits from every minority group known to man.
If these immigrants tried half the shit they do here back at home they would get a bullet in the head. So you would actually think they would show some appreciation at being in a safe place and be lucky enough to have an application processed to be allowed to venture out in to one the greatest countries in the world.
But no.......they have to try screwing us to the wall like all minority groups before them. And now that we have the chief goody goody of panderers , KRudd bending over backwards to help anyone with a problem ( as long as they are a minority ) , ca$h will be flowing out of the country as refugees and immigrants of all kinds throw a ton of lawsuits on us because we have a pissweak loser for a Prime Minister who unlike his predecessor who simply told the money grabbers to **** off , will bend over backwards to make sure that we are fully sueable by everyone.
The Unions will probably sue us next.....because kRudd made promises to them to get himself elected and hasnt honored them.
Thank Kevin , you have been a great help so far. I cant wait to see whats left of the country once you and your half arsed ex union official ministers have finished with it.
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He claims he was denied access to a doctor of his choice after sewing his lips together as part of a hunger strike at Baxter in 2004. A hell of a lot of Australians dont have access to the Doctor of their choice WITHOUT sewing their lips together - Sanity
If a person could do this to him self what could he do to others that got in his way.Life is cheap where he came from.
And probably the reason they kept him there for so long . Till the do good ers got on his case .
The do gooders will be the downfall of this country.
Actually im surprised the minorities haven't had the prayer removed from the opening of parliament.
Dont get me wrong I deal with new Australians all the time and most are great people.
But there is a minority of them who have no place here if they dont leave there barbaric customs and beliefs behind .
They are not compatible with our laws or our way of life and should seek a country that is more compatible .
Lol rudds respsonsible for all howards cockups now, as well as being personally responsible for actions of past governments regarding abo policies hes now also responsible for little johnnies cockups regarding immigration too. ROFLMAO
all this after 5 days into his first parliment. here is a news flash
liberal supporters are also now a minority group in this country.
btw i've always been an advocate of first plane back to country of origin for all people who enter australia illegally - would save the tax payer billions.
you all should have voted for pauline when you had the chance.
Cmon Diggler , thats not the labor party way. You have to hug them and give them an 800K cheque.Originally Posted by diggler
Refugees are eligible for Temporary protection Visas, not permanent residency. It is a class of VISA that allows them to stay in Australian until the situation in their homeland makes it safe for them to return. TPV Visa hodlers can apply for citizenship down the track but they have to jump through the same hoops that anyone else would and it takes a long time.
Yes, Australia is the ONLY country in the world that automatically locks up people fleeing torture in countries like Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. You may remember how bad the regimes are/were in these countries from some of the hype that accompanied the case for us invading them. Most countries find it a bit on the nose to treat people who have been tortured like that.What a place Australia is.....is it any wonder people want to come here ? It must be the only place in the world where you can physically beat yourself up , smash your head on walls , eat razor blades and then sue the government for mistreatment.
As far as i can tell NOTHING in that paragraph is true or based on reality.What a bunch of suckers we have become , the laughing stock of scammers world wide. Its wonder Nigerians arent moving here when you can scam within the law. Its of no wonder that we are one of the highest taxed countries in the western world , we need to be to finance all the law suits from every minority group known to man.
5 years in prison when you haven't committed a crime? 5 years in prison for fleeing a country where you likely to cop a bullet in your head. You have a weird idea of what people should be "grateful" for.If these immigrants tried half the shit they do here back at home they would get a bullet in the head. So you would actually think they would show some appreciation at being in a safe place and be lucky enough to have an application processed to be allowed to venture out in to one the greatest countries in the world.
I guarantee you that the largest payments in the next round of compo as a result of this fiasco will go to AUSTRALIANs not "minorities" who were wrongly detained.But no.......they have to try screwing us to the wall like all minority groups before them. And now that we have the chief goody goody of panderers , KRudd bending over backwards to help anyone with a problem ( as long as they are a minority ) , ca$h will be flowing out of the country as refugees and immigrants of all kinds throw a ton of lawsuits on us because we have a pissweak loser for a Prime Minister who unlike his predecessor who simply told the money grabbers to **** off , will bend over backwards to make sure that we are fully sueable by everyone.
Remember the Tampa? Do you know how much it cost to 1. send the army and navy after them (unknown)? 2. pay the government of Naura to take them (last i looked it was about $60m and counting) 3. Build a whole new detention centre on xmas island that never got used (about $400m+ from memory)? 4. Pay the govenments of a few other countries to a few them (in the millions)?
And guess what the net result is?
Turns out the Australian government found out that they were most real refugees after all. More than half of them ended up quietly living in Australia with no fanfare. Most of the rest ended up in New Zealand. The funniest thing about it all, is that those who ended up in NZ now have full kiwi citizenship which means they can move here and collect the dole here anyway! So we paid the kiwi government to take them and allowed them to jump our own queues that way (the ones that came direct to Australia aren't eligible because of the waiting period).
The whole policy was about pandering to the prejudices of the ill informed and the idiotic and pretending to be tough rather than trying to actually practically deal with the problem. Its costing the country a fortune.
Do you just string random words together (unions, rudd, compo, sue, aborignees, migrants) on the off chance that it might sound convincing to someone?The Unions will probably sue us next.....because kRudd made promises to them to get himself elected and hasnt honored them.
Hang on, aren't we cleaning up the mess of the PREVIOUS government here? Kevin Rudd didn't create ANY of this. Read the story again! A man is suing the Australian govenrment for the idiotic actions of the previous government, he joins many people who have already done this successfully before Kevin Rudd ever came to power.Thank Kevin , you have been a great help so far. I cant wait to see whats left of the country once you and your half arsed ex union official ministers have finished with it.
If you are blaming Kevin Rudd, you're barking mad.
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It's not a problem anymore.
All we have to do is say we're SORRY to all the refugees.
For a person with a psychiartic problem, he sure knows his rights.
Unfortunately it just never is safe to return. Even if it is , just say you will be persecuted
Funny how you keep claiming this country is so bad yet people keep coming here for the endless free rides. Its like getting a Movie World pass but cheaperYes, Australia is the ONLY country in the world that automatically locks up people fleeing torture in countries like Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. You may remember how bad the regimes are/were in these countries from some of the hype that accompanied the case for us invading them. Most countries find it a bit on the nose to treat people who have been tortured like that.
Good for you. Some might agree with me that we are one of the highest taxed. I CBF googling for a world taxation chart , so I 'll leave it to you.As far as i can tell NOTHING in that paragraph is true or based on reality.
Yeah , shit we should just let anyone in , have no borders , no ID required and let them all roam the streets. No need for detention centres , they all just tell the truth like the rapidly increasing stolen generation.5 years in prison when you haven't committed a crime? 5 years in prison for fleeing a country where you likely to cop a bullet in your head. You have a weird idea of what people should be "grateful" for.
Great , thanks for that. I'm excited.I guarantee you that the largest payments in the next round of compo as a result of this fiasco will go to AUSTRALIANs not "minorities" who were wrongly detained.
ra ra blah blah , too long and garbled to bother reading.Remember the Tampa? Do you know how much it cost to 1. send the army and navy after them (unknown)? 2. pay the government of Naura to take them (last i looked it was about $60m and counting) 3. Build a whole new detention centre on xmas island that never got used (about $400m+ from memory)? 4. Pay the govenments of a few other countries to a few them (in the millions)?
And guess what the net result is?
Turns out the Australian government found out that they were most real refugees after all. More than half of them ended up quietly living in Australia with no fanfare. Most of the rest ended up in New Zealand. The funniest thing about it all, is that those who ended up in NZ now have full kiwi citizenship which means they can move here and collect the dole here anyway! So we paid the kiwi government to take them and allowed them to jump our own queues that way (the ones that came direct to Australia aren't eligible because of the waiting period).
The whole policy was about pandering to the prejudices of the ill informed and the idiotic and pretending to be tough rather than trying to actually practically deal with the problem. Its costing the country a fortune.
No , unlike you I have some idea. Unlike you , I dont work for a Labor Government puppet organisation. Unlike you , I have a wife , children , 3 cars , a mortgage and unlike you I dont sleep with a cat every night in a one bedroom flat in the inner city. I have far more realistic life experience compared to your one dimensional look from one end of the ABC corridor to the other.Do you just string random words together (unions, rudd, compo, sue, aborignees, migrants) on the off chance that it might sound convincing to someone?
I'll blame KRudd. I might as well get in now , at the current rate of damage his government is inflicting on this country , he will be to blame by the end of the thread.Hang on, aren't we cleaning up the mess of the PREVIOUS government here? Kevin Rudd didn't create ANY of this. Read the story again! A man is suing the Australian govenrment for the idiotic actions of the previous government, he joins many people who have already done this successfully before Kevin Rudd ever came to power.
If you are blaming Kevin Rudd, you're barking mad.
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A man is sueing the Australian Government because he is a freeloading waste of space that should have been shot back to Iraq in a rocket.
But hey , everyone is going to be sueing the government now. It's $MONEY$ time for everyone. You should put a claim in pollywaffle , too many years at the ABC has given you an unrealistic view of what Australians really think and its likely to effect your work.
Its got to be worth a few hundred thousand ( make sure to use nugget and sew your lips up )
[QUOTE=Sanity;15759]I love this country. I've never said for a second that it's a bad, i've just criticised the government and their policies from time to time and suggested we could do better. YOU are the one that whines about this country all the time.Funny how you keep claiming this country is so bad yet people keep coming here for the endless free rides. Its like getting a Movie World pass but cheaper
Yep, you made it up. Again.Good for you. Some might agree with me that we are one of the highest taxed. I CBF googling for a world taxation chart , so I 'll leave it to you.
Here's the deal: The next time you do that, i will post a detailed response about what i think the problems with your life are. I have plenty of theories about why you are always looking for a scapegoat to blame and i'd be more than happy to share them with you.No , unlike you I have some idea. Unlike you , I dont work for a Labor Government puppet organisation. Unlike you , I have a wife , children , 3 cars , a mortgage and unlike you I dont sleep with a cat every night in a one bedroom flat in the inner city. I have far more realistic life experience compared to your one dimensional look from one end of the ABC corridor to the other.
ANd the 11 year old boy? What do you reckon his story was?A man is sueing the Australian Government because he is a freeloading waste of space that should have been shot back to Iraq in a rocket.
Mate, i'm pleased to say i've never blamed anyone else for my own problems. I've never hid behind some bullshit about my failures all being the fault of some minority group, and i've taken full responsibility for every time i've stuffed up. I've never sought compo or damages for anything and i've never been afraid to fess up when I've got something wrong.But hey , everyone is going to be sueing the government now. It's $MONEY$ time for everyone. You should put a claim in pollywaffle , too many years at the ABC has given you an unrealistic view of what Australians really think and its likely to effect your work.
I'm pretty sure that's the difference between the two of us. It probably goes a long way to explaining why you're whining all the time about the entire world being somehow stacked against you and i'm not.
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Its a clear cut case of your in our detention center, in our country, under our rules.
You want to be abusive and not follow our rules while under our care, expect to be put in line.
Be out of line and it will not be viewed favourably, we do not need rebels and people with no respect for law and order in our society.
Dont like it? Heres your flight back home.
Is what you'd to say to the 228 AUSTRALIANS wrongly detained by our overzealous previous government? Have fun explaining that.
if landing in this country illegally is not a crime, then i dont know what is.
they come here with no documentation because they have destroyed it so there is no proof of who they are, also they have been instructed on how to use our laws against us.
it was revealed the other day in the paper the aus government provides a single refugge with a monthly allowance of $1890 and can get additional $580 in social assistance.
a pensioner who has been contrubiting to this country for 40-50 years only gets a maximum of $1012.
no wonder they wanna get over here, legally or illegally.
send the bastards back as soon as they land, and it will save this country a lot of grieff, and stuff what the other countries think about us, what are they gunna do to us, sue us ?
No, it is NOT a crime. Under Australian law people are allowed to land here and claim political asylum. The Howard government never changed that and never took that right away they just tried to make life hell for anyone who did it.
If they commit fraud, lie to an official, make false statements, etc. Those are all crimes. Seeking asylum is not a crime.
Wow, you must be pleased at how much money we are saving by doing that! The cost of keeping the facility open in Nauru was $60m dollars PER YEAR. The cost of keeping each detainee was $200,000 per year and the average cost of transferring each person to or from there was $225,000 per person. Pensioners have every right to be outraged. Most of these people once they are released get jobs and pay more than enough in taxes to compensate for the few who don't.it was revealed the other day in the paper the aus government provides a single refugge with a monthly allowance of $1890 and can get additional $580 in social assistance.
So, to be absolutely clear, you have no problem with sending people to their death if that's what it takes? Personally, I could not knowingly send a family somewhere that there was a reasonable prospect that they'd be killed.send the bastards back as soon as they land, and it will save this country a lot of grieff, and stuff what the other countries think about us, what are they gunna do to us, sue us ?
A refugee is someone who is facing a real threat of death or persecution in their own country. No one who arrives by boat is allowed to stay if they don't pass that test.
A lot of the refugees who have come to this country are extraordinary people who have stood up to some of the ugliest and most tyrannical regimes on earth: Saddam Hussein, the Mad Mullahs of Iran and the Taliban. If we send our own men and women over there to fight them we hold them up as heroes and yet when their own people take a stand against them, are tortured, threatened and forced to flee we demonise them and treat them like shit.
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228 Australian wrongly detained?
A minor detail for the security of the country.
Did you look into why they were wrongfully detained?
Papers not in order?
They did the right thing. Most people would have no problem proving who they were. Birth certificates, medical records, marrige certificates, tax file numbers etc etc.
I just read an article of a child suing the gov for being held in an enviroment full of violence, problems and now has psycological problems.
How about he sues his parents for putting him in the enviroment.
Im thinking Mangos got the right idea, send them straight back.
Problem? What problem.
OOOOOw , we have struck a nerve
Very sooky this morning. Get a knock back from the cat ?Yep, you made it up. Again.
If you think our tax rates are low thats your perogative. I ( and probably many others ) consider them to be high. Thats probably why KRudd has a big treasury full of excess dollars. Which is lucky.....compo is flavor of the moment due to his lovely well thought out speech.
More blah blah. A detailed response ? Should be of great interest to me ( if I'm asleep ). I have plenty of theories why you have NFI about what most Australians think. By the way , you may need some pain killers for that raw nerve I keep hitting of yoursHere's the deal: The next time you do that, i will post a detailed response about what i think the problems with your life are. I have plenty of theories about why you are always looking for a scapegoat to blame and i'd be more than happy to share them with you.
What does he have to do with anything ? ROFL , The cow jumped over the moon. Theres my irrelevant remark to match yours.ANd the 11 year old boy? What do you reckon his story was?
I am jumping for joy to hear this wonderfull news. If only you could also apply it to some of the wastes of space you defend for doing exactly what you are proud not to have done.Mate, i'm pleased to say i've never blamed anyone else for my own problems. I've never hid behind some bullshit about my failures all being the fault of some minority group, and i've taken full responsibility for every time i've stuffed up. I've never sought compo or damages for anything and i've never been afraid to fess up when I've got something wrong.
So you think I have claimed compo for damages or something now ? I live on zero income , I dont even claim a disability pension or benefit of any kind even though I am entitled to several. As to failures , I am married , have 2 children and a nice house. I have 2 polite and well mannered children who most people say are a credit to me. My daughter has just turned 15 , goes to school ,works 25 hours a week and plans to be a surgeon.I'm pretty sure that's the difference between the two of us. It probably goes a long way to explaining why you're whining all the time about the entire world being somehow stacked against you and i'm not.p.
You are single and live in a flat by yourself with a cat and are a dogoody Leftist who will defend any piece of shit that craps on this country. For every piece of shit that abuses this country and takes it for a ride that you defend , I will attack .So when it comes to failures as you claim , that bathroom mirror might be a nice place for a long thoughtfull gaze.
As to Sorry Day , I apologise to everyone out there that has had a legit claim for damages as apparently Pollwaffle has now found a need to label you as failures.
One other thing that can be noted from pollywaffles last paragraph is that he thinks he is a self proclaimed perfect person. What an honor to meet him
Great..
I don't know but it's a good question. Have you?So you think I have claimed compo for damages or something now ?
And why doesn't that make you a free loader or a bludger of some kind? Are you bludging off the family? Off the taxpayers? Personally, i work for a living and pay taxes but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. What's your excuse?I live on zero income
Then why do you go on all the time about not being entitled to anything because you're white? Why do you put an extra burden on yourself and those around you when the country has (quite rightly) set up a system for those that are doing it tough., I dont even claim a disability pension or benefit of any kind even though I am entitled to several.
How do you afford a nice house with no income?a nice house.
Glad someone in the house isn't afraid of working or learning anything.My daughter has just turned 15... works 25 hours a week
Not EVERYONE. You pile shit on this country all the time. You crap on the health system (while liberally benefiting from it), the tax system (while apparently not actually working for a living yourself), the courts, the government, the ABC, the migration policies, the police, the taxis, the press (not including Andrew Bolt) and any sport that is popular north of the Murray.and are a dogoody Leftist who will defend any piece of shit that craps on this country.
You're not big on Australians either. Anyone who votes Labor or suggests that someone else should, anyone in a union, anyone who came here from another country, anyone who practices the wrong religion (or any religion too enthusiastically), anyone who is aboriginal, anyone who might be accused of wrongdoing (evidence not necessary), and anyone not much liked by Andrew Bolt apparently fall short of your own personal standards of Australianness.
Let me know if i missed anything you hate about the country.
Go crazy. Here's an example: I'll defend the rights of people who blatantly scam a free laptop from the taxpayers and the education system for a course they were never serious about taking. Hell i'll even defend people who encourage others to do it knowing that most of them aren't too serious about actually getting any skills. Hell i'll even defend them if they're the sort of person who cries out against rorts all the time and even if they might have been at least a bit aware that all this rorting would probably take legitimate places and resources from people who were genuinely trying to improve their education. I'll even defend people who knew they wer just scamming the taxpayer out of money that could have much better been spent on schools, roads, hospitals, securing the boarders, or supporting our troops overseas even if they would have attacked anyone from any other group if they did the same.For every piece of shit that abuses this country and takes it for a ride that you defend , I will attack
Your turn. Attack.
I'm pretty sure i can handle it somehow. You've been pretty wide of the mark so far. You've been wrong on where i work, where i live, what i do, who i live with, my pets, who i vote for, my relationship status and most other details. I've even corrected some of them for you in the past (sometimes in a way that would make it even easier to attack me) and given you plenty of good ammunition. But I'm always saved by the fact your brain is wired in such a way that it is literally impossible to get it to replace something that it thinks it knows with a new fact - no matter how useful it might be. It's like your brain has screen burn from being stuck one screen too long. No thanks, I think i'll avoid the painkillers.you may need some pain killers for that raw nerve I keep hitting of yours
As an aside...
Noel Pearson has written a lot of very good stuff about "the victim mentality" when talking about Aboriginal communities. People who blame the situation that they're in on everyone but themselves. First and foremost they blame the government, but they love to blame some other group (usually irrationally), they blame things that happened to them, they blame their tough lot in life.
Basically they blame anyone they can and use it as an excuse for not actually getting off their arses. Often they are drunk, doped up or drugged out and use blaming others to avoid taking any responsibility for fixing their own problems. He reckons it's really destructive and i reckon he's right. He reckons people hide behind blame as an excuse not to take responsibility and he argues that one of the biggest problems that beset Aboriginal people is that mentality. A lot of people would reckon he's right.
Of course, the flip side is that there are people who are genuinely hard done by and trying to make an effort but with all the bullshit going around it's just easier to lump them all in together and call them lazy, bludging, whingers, who want something for nothing, get something for nothing and complain about it all the time.
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