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    Quote Originally Posted by watchdog View Post
    I can't fathom why they would want $300 for an RX40, 10m of cable & 15 minutes of time when I was already on site.
    LOL, I have worked for many multinationals but $300 is way to high. I mean even if I went to the extreme I couldn't make the quote reach that price.

    Detector (with markup etc) $70.00
    Labour (already onsite, min 1/2hr) $100.00
    10m Cabling (overboard) $30

    That's $200.00... (with highly inflated prices)

    The detector needs to be made of gold for $300.00.



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    Quote Originally Posted by watchdog View Post
    Well I reckon that after telling them the work was there & needed doing & them quoting a price that made it obvious that they weren't interested - then they were fair game. The initial quote four a 5 detector system was $1580 , come on the customer is not stupid.

    Balun - nice employment contract but written soley for the benefit of the employer. Nothing about the employer's responsibilities like selling unsuitable equipment at grossly inflated prices , contempt for their customers , requiring staff to participate in questionable practices ? There is a long history of people in this industry try to make a quick megabuck & some of them are in gaol. At the end of the day the respect of my competitors is not important to me only the respect of my customers.
    Now your being a goose, all those comments you have posted are total crap.
    e.g selling unsuitable equipment at grossly inflated prices , contempt for their customers , requiring staff to participate in questionable practices ?

    The company you were working for has been in the business for a long time, longer then most. Have a good customer base & are very reputable.

    You decided that the price was too much, you gave your cheaper quote and you convinced the client that the price was too expensive.

    Get off the high horse, stop throwing ridiculous comments back and move on dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelliGEORGE View Post
    Labour (already onsite, min 1/2hr) $100.00
    Im not getting in on this argument but could the other quote be covering the fact you may not have time to do it there and then and may require a separate trip.......possiably even to pick up the extra detector.

    Also the customer may want to think about it then ask for it to be installed next week.

    Sorry, just adding fuel to the fire hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keef82 View Post
    Now your being a goose, all those comments you have posted are total crap.
    e.g selling unsuitable equipment at grossly inflated prices , contempt for their customers , requiring staff to participate in questionable practices ?

    The company you were working for has been in the business for a long time, longer then most. Have a good customer base & are very reputable.

    You decided that the price was too much, you gave your cheaper quote and you convinced the client that the price was too expensive.

    Get off the high horse, stop throwing ridiculous comments back and move on dude.
    Personal name calling really is a last resort
    That company has a rapidly diminishing customer base & its reputation is shown to be lacking on a regular basis.
    Not one of my questions in reply has been answered.
    So keef who regularly states that any installation is crap if it is not done by him, charges for every last screw or cable saddle & finishes almost every post by " move on dude " I've moved on !

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    just before we wind this argument up, can you tell me watchdog, what were your costs as a subby for installing the detector, did the client usually pay their bill on time or were they continually late with payments and lastly what were chubbs costs in obtaining the client?

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    Thanks for all the advice, a whole 3 replys to the question i originally posted!!! Anyways, cheers.
    Licenced installer and cabler

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    Isn't that normal on here. A small amount of info and a whole heap of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATech View Post
    Isn't that normal on here. A small amount of info and a whole heap of shit.
    Yes it is, but in the case of this thread - I disagree.

    I've had subbies blatently attempt to "steal" work from me and I fully understand why keef and balun feel so strongly about that subject.

    That said, I have also been "on the coal face" so to speak where as a tech, you are the first person that the Customer can relate to and you will be trusted over the company as a whole any day. This is especially true with long term customers who you may visit for several hours every few months and be on first name terms with them. A tech often gets to have meaningful chats, drink coffee or go out to lunch with the customer. All "the company" does is send invoices.

    It was a borderline case and a tough one to call, but I have to side with watchdog.
    “The liar and the thief rejoice in their first year only.”

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    it was a good thread, I am still in disbelief of the attitudes of subbys and what was discussed here.

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    Maybe it comes down to respect of the company you work for, i have had my bosses clients approach me trying to cut out the "middle man" but i have always refused.
    A few $$$ here and there is not worth losing your job over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Maybe it comes down to respect of the company you work for, i have had my bosses clients approach me trying to cut out the "middle man" but i have always refused.
    A few $$$ here and there is not worth losing your job over.
    well finally someone with ethics and if we all had that approach we would not have so many subbies trying to under cut pricing and produce poor workman ship by ignoring some simple cabling standards.

    I presently work for a family company and have for the last 18 months that puts shame on the multi national companies and for the first time in many years the word respect is the secret as by gee it certainly works both ways and for me this has been very rewarding.

    It is not often I have something nice to say about this industry so take that as a compliment keystone as we need more techs like you.

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    Thanks mate.

    I too work for a family owned company and as you said it does work both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Maybe it comes down to respect of the company you work for, i have had my bosses clients approach me trying to cut out the "middle man" but i have always refused.
    A few $$$ here and there is not worth losing your job over.
    Well put Keystone.

    It also comes down to your integrity and crediability. Pinching from the hand that feeds you will eventually bite you in the arse and then what do you do. We work in a small industry, people talk and mud sticks. Is your damaged reputation really worth it for a few quick bucks.

    We see some that even have to change countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by bss904 View Post
    We see some that even have to change countries


    ... the things some of us have to do to avoid being associated with riff raff.
    “The liar and the thief rejoice in their first year only.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by NonAustralian View Post


    ... the things some of us have to do to avoid being associated with riff raff.
    That's exactly why we have standards - to keep out the non-compliant riff-raff.

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    I'm with Keef and Balun on this one. No excuse your paid to be there by a company subby or not.

    You should not have advised the customer you could do it for less.

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    And what do subbies do when their work dries up?
    come running back, HA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Maybe it comes down to respect of the company you work for, i have had my bosses clients approach me trying to cut out the "middle man" but i have always refused.
    A few $$$ here and there is not worth losing your job over.
    I find it hard to have any respect for a company that treats its customers like idiots. The middle man was not being cut out but simply refused to address his fk up without ripping the customer off. It was not about $$ , the problem was corrected for $100 ( $50 for PIR & $50 labour ) THEN I could walk away feeling satisfied with a job well done. The company in question will probably never use me again & that is probably good for them and me. I dont NEED their work , I have plenty.
    Maybe all those who badmouth subbies should question why they are needed.
    Don't have to train your own staff
    No holiday pay
    No sick pay
    No super
    No workers comp
    No insurances
    No tools
    No vehicle
    Expect them to be available on demand
    Do what they are told with no questions
    Make their stock available at cost price
    Be the target of the finger pointing when the cost blows out

    Sounds like an employment contract for Indian stone quarry

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    what did your employer say when you told them you did the work privately and for only $100 bucks?

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    I get approached regularly by clients I do work for on behalf of multi nationals, I personally don't think $100-$200 side job is worth it, that's putting a $3000 /wk income at risk for a couple of hundred $$.

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