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    Default Which PVR Decoder?

    This is what I'm looking for in a PVR decoder:
    twin tuners
    twin card slots
    network capable
    YUV output
    optical audio output
    can handle a whitey
    Linux based, if possible
    DVB-T capable, if possible

    Is such a beast available?
    What are your thoughts and suggestions?

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    1. Dreambox 7025 will do all the above although if you want dvb-t you would only have one dvb-s tuner at the same time.

    2. Relook 400 will not do dvb-t but will, all other things on your wish list with non enigma image ie DG Station image.

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    sorry to hijack this thread but im looking for something similar the only extra i would like is HD on the terrestrial tuner. Is this available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nihonjin View Post
    sorry to hijack this thread but im looking for something similar the only extra i would like is HD on the terrestrial tuner. Is this available?
    Not just yet. Soon I would suggest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keepleft View Post
    Not just yet. Soon I would suggest.
    Are you aware of any new products coming that will have these capabilities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nihonjin View Post
    Are you aware of any new products coming that will have these capabilities?
    The CUBEREVO from might be what your after. This does HD, going by the specs.
    It can take additional tuner modules much like the Dreambox DM7025.

    Found them last night searching for what decoder to buy. So many choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by vk6xlr View Post
    The CUBEREVO from might be what your after. This does HD, going by the specs.
    It can take additional tuner modules much like the Dreambox DM7025.

    Found them last night searching for what decoder to buy. So many choices
    Looks interesting. Looks like you need to buy extra tuners for it to do both satellite and terrestrial and doesnt look like it comes standard with pvr you need to buy the cradle and HDD to add to it. I wonder what price it sells for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vk6xlr View Post
    This is what I'm looking for in a PVR decoder:
    twin tuners -> 1 x DVB-T + 1 x DVB-s
    twin card slots -> Yes through 2 CI slots
    network capable -> NO
    YUV output -> YES , The 8022 also has HDMI 576p, 720p or 1080i upscaling.
    optical audio output -> YES
    can handle a whitey -> YES
    Linux based, if possible -> NO
    DVB-T capable, if possible -> YES

    Is such a beast available?
    What are your thoughts and suggestions?

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    Take a look at the , The will upscale to HD via HDMI
    You can get them through Harvey Norman or search google for online
    resellers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by B52 View Post
    Take a look at the , The will upscale to HD via HDMI
    You can get them through Harvey Norman or search google for online
    resellers.



    Ps click underline text for more info.
    Mediastar - Nice unit, but don't count on support to fix the bugs.
    I have bought a dw820pvr (SD) and it still has bugs,
    They have ceased firmware developments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    Mediastar - Nice unit, but don't count on support to fix the bugs.
    I have bought a dw820pvr (SD) and it still has bugs,
    They have ceased firmware developments.
    Since I installed 87L [July] firmware I have no issues.

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    Topfield have DVB-S2 (H2.64) 'HD' Irdeto embedded and C1 PVR's. Not Linux though.



    I thought REELBOX too - if they have improved integrity. (Still no C band?).


    For some folk, a new TV bearing an HD tuner - with or without built-in PVR, would mean a simpler requirement - for say an HD sat PVR, since the terrestrial side would not be required.

    Now, does this example to any measurable degree impact the necessity for dual-band HD PVR's? Those say 'HD Terr & HD sat'. (Accepting the the reality of growing number of HD TV 'tuners' we are seeing, no surprise here).

    Accepting also that Blue Ray has won the DVD fight, again you'd add this device as a seperate component. So gear wise;

    say BIG SCREEN (HD tuner 6 millon connection possibilities, perhaps PVR built-in), and
    HD sat box dual PVR, and
    Blue Ray and your copy of Sound of Music, and
    Other add-on entertainment devices.

    But, what about a BOX (Media Centre???)/DECODER/PVR with the ability for IPTV (So one can browse and dowload video's and watch say "channelchooser" et al?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B52 View Post
    Since I installed 87L [July] firmware I have no issues.
    For starters try to rename a recording, move the cursor to the Backarrow and to the left into the recordings name, see if you can see anything but orange box. Little things like this make me think it is not polished, but a hastily implemented Australian beta.

    I told OPAC support about this problem and get a new firmware that still is buggy, with the original complaint.

    Ask again to be told no longer update the firmware.

    Another problem is channels get updated automatically, and added to my favorites list such as High Definition channel where I have no chance of decoding. After a while of this, it feels slow to change channels at times, a complete channel rescan seemed to speed it up.

    The USB implementation for data transfer to computer is a disappointment. It can transfer data, but it is a pain in the b*m, as it has to be disconnected to record with the PVR - the hard disk functionality seems to disappear from the PVR when connected to computer.

    I would love to test the Descrambling status, I read somewhere that they were to release a real-time descrambling firmware, I haven’t used it too much since my gamma problem.

    Recording TV is also a pain with all the advertisements, and disjointed/unavailable EPG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    For starters try to rename a recording, move the cursor to the Backarrow and to the left into the recordings name, see if you can see anything but orange box. Little things like this make me think it is not polished, but a hastily implemented Australian beta.
    Are you running 87L software ?

    Just did it now no problem. Press Yellow button. The text editor menu opens, select you letters, exit, confirm, and it’s done. I have looked at other PVR’s and they don’t even have this option.



    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    Another problem is channels get updated automatically, and added to my favorites list such as High Definition channel where I have no chance of decoding. After a while of this, it feels slow to change channels at times, a complete channel rescan seemed to speed it up.
    Happen when the new HD platform was implemented. Not likely to happen in another 3 years.



    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    The USB implementation for data transfer to computer is a disappointment. It can transfer data, but it is a pain in the b*m, as it has to be disconnected to record with the PVR - the hard disk functionality seems to disappear from the PVR when connected to computer.
    Had a Topfield PVR before whith USB conection active all the time. It took nearly an hour to upload a recording. The MS dose it a minute. Who needs it any way for the average user like me I just point and select the programs from the weekly EPG, the MS will automatically make an entry into the timer menu; box fires and records even if it was in standby.

    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    I would love to test the Descrambling status, I read somewhere that they were to release a real-time descrambling firmware, I haven’t used it too much since my gamma problem.
    Accept when you record Pay and View another Pay at the same time all the recording are descrambled, viewable anytime without a card. It depends on how you use the PVR. Since you have only 1 cam and card only 1 channel can be scrambled.

    Scrambled recordings can be descrambled later using descrambling (copy) function. You’d need to do it quickly before he card details have changed.


    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    Recording TV is also a pain with all the advertisements, and disjointed/unavailable EPG.
    The MS is the only PVR dealing with advertising using skip function. In the Hard Drive option you can set skip from 10sec to 5 Minutes. When adds start, one key press and the advert is gone.

    Regarding EPG you must have your ICE Guide turned ON. In this case EPG is acquired from a preloaded EPG like the ICE Guide. Turne ICE guide OFF, you'll get full 7 day EPG from most terrestrial broadcasters and Selecvt. Press EPG select from the weekly program list anything you want to record. The MS will automatically make an entry in to the timer schedule. You can also rename, extend the recording through time padding or change to daily or pick individual weekdays.

    Regarding cards, it runs on any valid Irdeto card including the whites. I also had it running on Viaccess (T18 Porn)

    I had a few PVR’s before and none of them come any closer to the . The latest 8022 has HDMI output it will upscale C1 to 576p 720p or 1080i selectable via HDMI control menu. PQ is awesome.

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    Running MDS-106e-2087L

    Thanks I will try some of your tips regarding dealing with the commercials; etc. The manual was very vague in some areas.

    What I am talking about is editing the file name, eg .move your cursor to the letter K, up 1, left 1 – a big orange box appears, moving the arrow down etc starts to reveal s some of the characters of the keyboard. It is such a pain to be retyping the whole movie title (minus the _cut) all the time, if editing with cut function as it creates a file with the _cut appended.

    I wonder if dream box PVR owners have to disconnect their network to their box to make it record, I would have liked it if it behaved like other networked storage device, without the plugging in and out business.

    Which brings me to another feature that you touched on which is the ICE Guide. To use the ICE guide the MS need to be connect to computer and the ice guide file placed in the x:\PVR\ICEEPG folder. Which could means a lot of plugging in and out, automation is ruled out, no one is going to want to use as it becomes a chore after some time.

    EPG up here sucks, sbs2 and ten don’t have it, and others have their clock out of sync. And it only covers the current program and the next, and that’s it – not MS fault.

    If I had satellite it wouldn’t be as half bad as they have more complete EPG.

    Maybe there are other worse boxes out there; some are popular brands that are supported across the world, in sat forums. MS is unique Australian Echostar version, and haven’t seen it listed in any support sat forum.

    I think it will take some time for all the PVR makers to get to a higher standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    Running MDS-106e-2087L



    Which brings me to another feature that you touched on which is the ICE Guide. To use the ICE guide the MS need to be connect to computer and the ice guide file placed in the x:\PVR\ICEEPG folder. Which could means a lot of plugging in and out, automation is ruled out, no one is going to want to use as it becomes a chore after some time.
    Since January all (except sbs) have 7 day EPG Australia wide. The IC Guide was relevant until January. and unless you had free access to some server you'd had to pay for it and it was updated once a week so you only needed to upload it once a week. Anyways it's no longer relevant.


    Quote Originally Posted by valuedcustomer View Post
    EPG up here sucks, sbs2 and ten don’t have it, and others have their clock out of sync. And it only covers the current program and the next, and that’s it – not MS fault.
    As far as I know and according to Free TV Australia all broadcasters except sbs offer weekly or near weekly EPG including regional. SC10, Win and Prim had theirs running since October last year. Suggest you do a factory reset. When the clock setting is prompted only change the time to +11:00 hours and don’t change any other settings. After the channel search has completed go to Ch. 10 press EPG and wait it can take up to 30 seconds to fully load the EPG data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keepleft View Post
    Topfield have DVB-S2 (H2.64) 'HD' Irdeto embedded and C1 PVR's. Not Linux though.



    I thought REELBOX too - if they have improved integrity. (Still no C band?).

    There’s no Topfiled HD PVR with embedded Irdeto. use CI.
    The one showing on their website is receiver only and is not available yet.

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    Any news on new MS-Echostar PVR HD's or too early??
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