Are Aurora access cards illegal??

[pblurp]

I no nothing of AUS law but I know this.

If your watching a channel that your not meant to be watching your in the Illegal act of

"Theft of Programs and or Services on an encrypted network"

Thats my opinion and Ive seen it applied over in the UK. But this is Australia. I no nothing ATM but Im here to learn...

Well MrMod i would differ from your opinion

Unless the constitution clearly exhibits that such and such things are forbidden, or prohibited, i guess the lawyers would be able to bail us out.

[ufosarereal]

Well MrMod i would differ from your opinion

Unless the constitution clearly exhibits that such and such things are forbidden, or prohibited, i guess the lawyers would be able to bail us out.

Although I am not a lawyer, MrMod may actually be right. Australia is a constitutional Monarchy, not a true . Our constitution doesn't even protect our freedom of speech, nor do we have a Bill of Rights. Therefore, I would suggest that common law would come into effect, unless statutes expressly confirm the status quo or state otherwise, hence, in my opinion, the changes in the Act. Under these conditions the law could be broken not by the service being viewed, but by the means through which it is accessed if that should involve circumventing authorised content management. Note that this management doesn't even have to be secure, but only implied. For example, the removal of DVD encryption is now common knowledge, however, the simplicity of the act does not make it legal. I suppose the laws in Aus will eventually be tested in the courts. Perhaps someone with some legal training here could elaborate.

UFO

[mate]

Well MrMod i would differ from your opinion

Unless the constitution clearly exhibits that such and such things are forbidden, or prohibited, i guess the lawyers would be able to bail us out.

at what cost? and who is going to pay the bill?

[ufosarereal]

at what cost? and who is going to pay the bill?

Ultimately the individual will pay the bill. Our constitution doesn't even provide the right to legal representation and, not having unlimited funds, when we lose we would have to pay court costs too!

[Keepleft]

Although I am not a lawyer, MrMod may actually be right. Australia is a constitutional Monarchy, not a true . Our constitution doesn't even protect our freedom of speech, nor do we have a Bill of Rights.
UFO

1. Our federal Constitution IMPLIES rights - in ALL things. What restricts 'rights' are LAWS passed by ELECTED parliaments.

Australian's are apathetic; the more we are you see, the more freedoms will be impinged, typically because political activisim and 'reform' governments see it so.

Sometimes passed law is challenged and overturned, even years after having being passed.

I'd prefer our system over any republican model to date.

I'd not get rid of the states either; I'm not one for a BIG central government with local government minions, Australia was, it is, and will remain effectively a nation of sovereign states.


2. Don't want a Bill Of Rights, cant think of anything more dangerous.

MUCH reading out and about re all this, and also discussed elsewhere ere@Austech.

Not read this thread - will do so later - running out of time again, dang.

[zacker]

Found an interesting link relating to this topic when I was on ebay.

[sdrambo]

1. Our federal Constitution IMPLIES rights - in ALL things. What restricts 'rights' are LAWS passed by ELECTED parliaments.

Australian's are apathetic; the more we are you see, the more freedoms will be impinged, typically because political activisim and 'reform' governments see it so.

Sometimes passed law is challenged and overturned, even years after having being passed.

I'd prefer our system over any republican model to date.

I'd not get rid of the states either; I'm not one for a BIG central government with local government minions, Australia was, it is, and will remain effectively a nation of sovereign states.


2. Don't want a Bill Of Rights, cant think of anything more dangerous.

MUCH reading out and about re all this, and also discussed elsewhere ere@Austech.

Not read this thread - will do so later - running out of time again, dang.

The cost of our over governed nation is horrendous. We have more politicians per 100,000 people than anyone else in the world. I live on the Sunshine Coast we have 7 state pollys between Caloundra and Noosa, a distance of 60kms. By any measure that's ridiculous. Dont know how many feds though probably 2. We need less politicians!!!

[OSIRUS]

It's Ludicrous that FTA TV stations are not allowed to compete in a FTA market,

Regulated by people who want a monopoly,

[newcroft]

Found an interesting link relating to this topic when I was on ebay.

Very Interesting Zacker. Now, who would be selling those cards on ebay????

[macca]

Optus now has the start of a 'Smartcard Swap Form' on its

[zacker]

interesting. they must have changed that since last week when it was reported that the swap form did not even work

[hamguy2]

whats the harm having abc etc in any part of australia. i dont seem the harm in it ,if you go out in the summer and you miss something on abc or sbs nsw ,you can watch it 2 to 3 hours later on abc or sbs wa ,thx hamguy2 nsw

[gw1]

That smartcard that Macca pointed out is telling. Once that's up and going, when the card exchange program is underway and being advertised in newspapers, that will pretty much signal the end of Irdeto 1 Aurora goldies/silvers/funs within about six months. The wheels of Optus turn only slowly but they get there eventually.

From the :

When will I need to replace my smartcard?

It is currently planned for existing (i.e. already activated) Version 1 smartcards to remain in operation until end of 2009. We are no longer activating any ‘new’ Version 1 smartcards. By end of 2009, any Version 1 smartcards which have not already been replaced by a Version 4 (or higher) smartcard will require swapout at that time. All new smartcards provided now are Version 5.

For the purpose of identification, Version 1 smartcard numbers begin with either ‘0’ or ‘2’. If your smartcard begins with either of these numbers, you will need to replace your smartcard with a current version by end of 2009 otherwise you will lose access to Aurora services.

I wouldn't necessarily assume from the above that 'end of 2009' is an absolute deadline, but it may be. If we see serious numbers of cards being exchanged by November then we can assume it's true, otherwise we can take it to be a nominal target with switch-off perhaps six months away.

Either way, once Irdeto 1 is switched off everyone not in a "black spot" will need to either

• obtain one or more genuine cards through a grey distributor, or
• use an Aurora whitey, or
• cardshare it from one or more friends

I expect most Dream users will do the latter: connect remotely to a friend with either a whitey or a set of genuine cards.

[ufosarereal]

whats the harm having abc etc in any part of australia. i dont seem the harm in it ....

Probably the last vestiges of Imperialism in our political system working against Australian nationalism. In my uninformed opinion there can be little other reason to limit access to services that essentially differ in programme timeshifting and very limited local content in an otherwise national news.

UFO

[zacker]

do the aurora whiteys exist as such yet - nobody would buy one atm when you can make a goldie much cheaper than you could for a whitey. however when irdeto 1 ends I wouldn't mind placing a wager that aurora whiteys will become very popular - especially for those in the bush and travellers

[beer4life]

do the aurora whiteys exist as such yet - nobody would buy one atm when you can make a goldie much cheaper than you could for a whitey. however when irdeto 1 ends I wouldn't mind placing a wager that aurora whiteys will become very popular - especially for those in the bush and travellers

laws of thought



logic Main

traditionally, the three fundamental laws of logic: (1) the law of contradiction, (2) the (or third), and (3) the principle of identity. That is, (1) for all propositions p, it is impossible for both p and not p to be true, or symbolically, ∼(p · ∼p), in which ∼ means “not” and · means “and”; (2) either p or ∼p must be true, there being no third or middle true proposition between them, or symbolically p ∨ ∼p, in which ∨ means “or”; and (3) if a F is true of an x, then F is indeed true of x, or symbolically F(x) ⊃ F(x), in which ⊃ means “formally implies.” Another formulation of the principle of identity asserts that a thing is identical with itself, or (∀x) (x = x), in which ∀ means “for every”; or simply that x is x.

After cogitating on this dilemma, I have come to this logical conclusion.

1. Austar were able to negate the whiteys using Irdeto 2.

2. It follows, if Optus are using Irdeto 2 for the new cards, then,

3. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Q.E.D.

{Quod Erat Demonstrandum}

[gw1]

No, I disagree with that. There are several differences between Aurora and Austar of relevance to whitey.

• Austar are highly motivated to invest in anti-whitey countermeasures. Optus aren't.
• Austar have control of the receivers being used, Optus don't. Austar were able to change their firmware in order to break Austar whiteys. Optus don't have that option.

[B52]

If you look up at the copy right legislation referring to pay TV.

"Dealing in Circumvention Devises which have no use or limited use but to circumvent "

"Gaining access to Pay TV without the permission of the broadcaster"

An this. "Facilitating the circumvention"

Any which way before a magistrate there's little or no room to move.

[INFO]

If you look up at the copy right legislation referring to pay TV.

"Dealing in Circumvention Devises which have no use or limited use but to circumvent "

"Gaining access to Pay TV without the permission of the broadcaster"

An this. "Facilitating the circumvention"

Any which way before a magistrate there's little or no room to move.

But is Aurora "PayTv" ?