Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 21

Thread: continuing sorry line

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    zzzzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    australia/thailand )
    Posts
    506
    Thanks
    193
    Thanked 431 Times in 75 Posts
    Rep Power
    375
    Reputation
    8077

    Default continuing sorry line

    channel seven perth tonight recorded that an average of 7 lost generation claims a day have been made with a legal team against the wa government since the statement by k rudd saying sorry .at least now we know the outcome of his statement .also according to channel 7 the legal wiz kids are asking for a minimum of $80,000 out of court settlement for each claim from the state goverment...here goes our money again!!!!!!!!!!!!



Look Here ->
  • #2
    Administrator
    admin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Victoria
    Age
    56
    Posts
    31,150
    Thanks
    2,238
    Thanked 13,731 Times in 5,823 Posts
    Rep Power
    4552
    Reputation
    165805

    Default

    Surely not......KRudd said it wouldnt happen and he's a nice bloke who's here to help

  • #3
    Senior Member
    zzzzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    australia/thailand )
    Posts
    506
    Thanks
    193
    Thanked 431 Times in 75 Posts
    Rep Power
    375
    Reputation
    8077

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post
    Surely not......KRudd said it wouldnt happen and he's a nice bloke who's here to help
    REAL LIKEABLE BLOKE AINT HE!!!!!

  • #4
    Senior Member
    best4less's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    7,684
    Thanks
    3,487
    Thanked 2,207 Times in 1,132 Posts
    Rep Power
    757
    Reputation
    15165

    Default

    Pffft $80,000 for the real cases (sexual abuse etc,) is a joke !!!!
    And a kick in the butt to jail for the people trying to scam it
    When you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all

  • #5
    I am NOT the Messiah!
    SystemRat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    2,131
    Thanks
    278
    Thanked 563 Times in 274 Posts
    Rep Power
    332
    Reputation
    3178

    Default

    I wonder if there is any possibility of a class action by these who did not vote for Mr KRudd against these that did.

    I also note Mr KRudd is looking at introducing a system like that being setup in the UK where you get cut off the Internet after 3 strikes for downloading. Between that and the porn filtering the largest traffic on the Net in Australia might be spam soon.

    This may have slipped past people in other states but Mr KRudd has appointed Steve Bracks the former Victorian premier to inquire in to the automotive industry on a salary of $3000 to $10,000 per week depending on who is telling the story. I hope he has more luck with that enquiry than he did with the poker machine inquiry that he was called to appear at but refused to.

  • #6
    Senior Member roguefan99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    1,459
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 148 Times in 109 Posts
    Rep Power
    258
    Reputation
    633

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SystemRat View Post
    I wonder if there is any possibility of a class action by these who did not vote for Mr KRudd against these that did.
    And should these be a class action against the people who were ripped off when people voted for Howard and he got in (especially seeing he got in with 49% of the 2 party vote). I would like to go in that seeing the ****er put me on an AWA, of which I had NO CHOICE (Universitys all were put on AWAs).

    Unfortanetly thats the problem with a democracy 49% of the people (or 51% in the case of Howard's election) will be pissed off. Thats the nice thing about dictatorships, at least 99.99% of the population is pissed off, they are just to scared to do anything about it.

    Be interesting to see what happens in court. The sorry statement wouldn't hold any water in a court of law, the case could have been taken before hand (and personally I'm suprised it wasn't).

    BTW I dont agree with ruddies net censorship, but I think we would have had these no matter which party was in power (especially the 3 strikes because they give $$$$$ to both parties).

  • #7
    Junior Member poddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Where theres tooooo much Country Musac!
    Posts
    147
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Rep Power
    202
    Reputation
    22

    Default

    For crying out loud guys, if you had your kids taken by someone & went through shit for the rest of your life, wouldn't you make those mongrels pay for it?
    It's no different if those Govt officials rammed in your door & raped your kids.
    You would sue them them for all you could get!
    Get over it you penny pinchers....give the people who can prove their case their dues! They have been able to for years, but haven't had the courage to do for fear of backlash.
    Go hard at the other jerks who are just making it up. If they don't get jailed or fined it will just encourage more of the false claims, & make it harder & take longer for the true claims to be processed.
    Of course the real criminals of these times "lawyers" won't mind. Make these buggers acountable too I say (thats for another thread I guess)
    Thats my 2cents worth.
    Happy to be here......still

  • #8
    Senior Member z80's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    5,840
    Thanks
    112
    Thanked 77 Times in 48 Posts
    Rep Power
    0
    Reputation
    708

    Default

    Howard was such a peanut detached from reality that even a drovers' dog could have romped home against him in the last election.

    If the labor party had presented a cardboard cutout people would have voted for it in Howards own seat.

    The country got the politicians it deserved yet again.

  • #9
    Administrator
    admin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Victoria
    Age
    56
    Posts
    31,150
    Thanks
    2,238
    Thanked 13,731 Times in 5,823 Posts
    Rep Power
    4552
    Reputation
    165805

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by poddy View Post
    give the people who can prove their case their dues! They have been able to for years, but haven't had the courage to do for fear of backlash.
    Do you really believe that Poddy ? They have just been " too scared " and now they are all brave because KRudd said sorry and will sue the government ? Isnt that what eveyone is saying wont happen ?

    Go hard at the other jerks who are just making it up. If they don't get jailed or fined it will just encourage more of the false claims, & make it harder & take longer for the true claims to be processed.
    Do you really think they will do anything to them ? They are Aboriginal , its like having Gold Card immunity in a case like this.

    Of course the real criminals of these times "lawyers" won't mind. Make these buggers acountable too I say (thats for another thread I gues
    They are loving it. If we lived in some sort of third world shithole , you would almost think they all got together and paid KRudd a big wad of cash for making that apology. ANother " Gold Card " group.

  • #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Age
    59
    Posts
    669
    Thanks
    477
    Thanked 217 Times in 115 Posts
    Rep Power
    269
    Reputation
    2459

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by poddy View Post
    wouldn't you make those mongrels pay for it?
    I'm more than happy for the actual mongrels that allegedly took them to pay for it.
    Not me.
    Not the current Government.
    Get a hold of whoever it was that gave the go ahead, and get the cash from them.

    The current German government doesn't go to jail for crimes the Nazi party did.
    They find the Nazi's that committed the crimes, and punish them.

    So stop with all this bullshit "Give them Money" crap.
    It will only make things worse.

    By the way, what DID Kevin Rudd saying "Sorry" actually achieve?
    Did someone who was stolen suddenly say to themselves, "Well, I feel all better now" and start the next day of their life totally different?
    Nope. They just started rubbing their hands together thinking of all the shit they can try and cause.
    Seriously, what did saying Sorry really achieve?

  • #11
    Senior Member
    zzzzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    australia/thailand )
    Posts
    506
    Thanks
    193
    Thanked 431 Times in 75 Posts
    Rep Power
    375
    Reputation
    8077

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by aa23 View Post
    I'm more than happy for the actual mongrels that allegedly took them to pay for it.
    Not me.
    Not the current Government.
    Get a hold of whoever it was that gave the go ahead, and get the cash from them.

    The current German government doesn't go to jail for crimes the Nazi party did.
    They find the Nazi's that committed the crimes, and punish them.

    So stop with all this bullshit "Give them Money" crap.
    It will only make things worse.

    By the way, what DID Kevin Rudd saying "Sorry" actually achieve?
    Did someone who was stolen suddenly say to themselves, "Well, I feel all better now" and start the next day of their life totally different?
    Nope. They just started rubbing their hands together thinking of all the shit they can try and cause.
    Seriously, what did saying Sorry really achieve?
    WELL SAID as you say the germans...italians...japanes and other nationalities did a lot of damage and murdering between 1939 and 1945 and i will say a lot of my family suffered during that time with being put in P O W camp in singapore and when they came out all they got was compassion health care and were helped to get on with there life..but we as family are not going after the guilty nations for compo so why should we pay for damage done by others who are said to have done all this
    Last edited by zzzzz; 22-02-08 at 10:38 AM.

  • #12
    Junior Member poddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Where theres tooooo much Country Musac!
    Posts
    147
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Rep Power
    202
    Reputation
    22

    Default

    All I'm about is people getting whats owed to them. When an injustice has been comitted there is compensation to pay by the guilty party to the victim.

    When 2 kids are taken out of their yard while playing without the mums knowledge, & the mum spends the next 6 months walking the hot roads of Brewarrina, Goodooga & Lightning Ridge looking for her kids & only expecting to find their bones. And the subsequent years mourning for her children from no fault of her own, to me that person is a victim & deserves compensation. Her daughter found her about 12 years later by absolute chance.

    I'm not a political activist just a person who likes to see people receive whats fairly theirs.
    I hate the people falsley claiming to be stolen when the parents actually gave them up because they'd rather have money for their turps than feed their kids. And your probably right there Sanity, they will get immunity. Thats not fair on the rest of the poor people. It drags things out for the honest ones.
    Whats a few dollars to some unfortunate people who have had their lives ruined by an Australian Govt. Who gives a rats arse which politician gave the order, the fact is these are the victims, & they are looking to get whats fairly theirs.
    I guess it's no different to an old company having to compensate someone in 2008 for a Directors desicion made back in 1940. All the diectors are probably dead & buried but the current Director must make good any wrong done to the victim for the Company & on behalf of those previous Directors.
    Thats how I see things anyhow.
    Happy to be here......still

  • #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Age
    59
    Posts
    669
    Thanks
    477
    Thanked 217 Times in 115 Posts
    Rep Power
    269
    Reputation
    2459

    Default

    Poddy, that's a well written post you've made. I may not agree with it all, but it is concise and well stated.
    I'm too tired right now, but happy to discuss the pro's and con's of what you've said later sometime.

  • #14
    Administrator
    admin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Victoria
    Age
    56
    Posts
    31,150
    Thanks
    2,238
    Thanked 13,731 Times in 5,823 Posts
    Rep Power
    4552
    Reputation
    165805

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by poddy View Post
    When 2 kids are taken out of their yard while playing without the mums knowledge, & the mum spends the next 6 months walking the hot roads of Brewarrina, Goodooga & Lightning Ridge looking for her kids & only expecting to find their bones. And the subsequent years mourning for her children from no fault of her own, to me that person is a victim & deserves compensation. Her daughter found her about 12 years later by absolute chance.
    I agree with the rest of your post. As to the above statement , well I think you would have been to court and been compensated by now if that was the case. The problem is , every Aboriginal has one of these stories at the moment and they are being caught out as liars INCLUDING the majority of stolen generation leaders who are not stolen at all.

    Bruce Trevorrow received 800K+ for being neglected , in poor health living in a tin humpy with an alcoholic father and mother that continually ran off just leaving him there. It was actually a neighbour that felt sorry enough for him that took him to hospital. His parents made no effort to go and see him.

    Yes , there will be the odd legit case and fair enough. But the majority in my opinion are full of shit. I hvae said it before , but here is a cut and paste again about some of these poor indigenous leaders who think a million each would be nice :

    Lowitja O'Donoghue, the Stolen Generations Alliance's co-patron.

    O'Donoghue in fact was dumped at a children's home by her footloose Irish father, to be educated by missionaries.

    Peter Gunner, who sought compensation in the Federal Court for being "stolen"?

    Gunner, in fact, was sent to a home in Alice Springs with the written permission of his mother, to get a schooling.

    Mary Hooker, another Stolen Generations Alliance spokeswoman.

    Hooker, in fact, was removed with three of her 11 siblings because welfare officers thought she was neglected and "I was raped by my brother".

    For what should I say sorry to Lorna Cubillo, who claimed compensation?

    Cubillo, in fact, was just seven, with no parents or even known guardian when she was found at a missionary-run ration camp in the bush, and sent to a home and school in Darwin.

    For what should I say sorry to Molly, portrayed in Rabbit Proof Fence as a girl stolen to "breed out the colour"?

    Molly in fact was taken into care with the agreement of her tribal chief after warnings that she was in danger of sexual abuse and had been ostracised as a half-caste by her tribe.

    For what should I say sorry to Archie Roach, famous for his song Took the Children Away?

    Roach, in fact, said yesterday he was removed when he was three because "word got around" he was neglected -- his parents weren't there, and his sister was trying to care for him.

    For what should I say sorry to all the "stolen children" like these - activist Robert Riley, whose mother dumped him at a home; author Mudrooroo Narogin, who turned out to be neither stolen nor Aboriginal; claimant Joy Williams, whose mother gave away her illegitimate girl; bureaucrat Charlie Perkins, whose mother asked a boarding school to help her gifted boy; and "stolen generations" leader Annette Peardon, whose mother was jailed for three months for neglecting her children.

  • #15
    Junior Member poddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Where theres tooooo much Country Musac!
    Posts
    147
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Rep Power
    202
    Reputation
    22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post
    I agree with the rest of your post. As to the above statement , well I think you would have been to court and been compensated by now if that was the case. The problem is , every Aboriginal has one of these stories at the moment and they are being caught out as liars INCLUDING the majority of stolen generation leaders who are not stolen at all.

    Bruce Trevorrow received 800K+ for being neglected , in poor health living in a tin humpy with an alcoholic father and mother that continually ran off just leaving him there. It was actually a neighbour that felt sorry enough for him that took him to hospital. His parents made no effort to go and see him.

    Yes , there will be the odd legit case and fair enough. But the majority in my opinion are full of shit. I hvae said it before , but here is a cut and paste again about some of these poor indigenous leaders who think a million each would be nice :

    Lowitja O'Donoghue, the Stolen Generations Alliance's co-patron.

    O'Donoghue in fact was dumped at a children's home by her footloose Irish father, to be educated by missionaries.

    Peter Gunner, who sought compensation in the Federal Court for being "stolen"?

    Gunner, in fact, was sent to a home in Alice Springs with the written permission of his mother, to get a schooling.

    Mary Hooker, another Stolen Generations Alliance spokeswoman.

    Hooker, in fact, was removed with three of her 11 siblings because welfare officers thought she was neglected and "I was raped by my brother".

    For what should I say sorry to Lorna Cubillo, who claimed compensation?

    Cubillo, in fact, was just seven, with no parents or even known guardian when she was found at a missionary-run ration camp in the bush, and sent to a home and school in Darwin.

    For what should I say sorry to Molly, portrayed in Rabbit Proof Fence as a girl stolen to "breed out the colour"?

    Molly in fact was taken into care with the agreement of her tribal chief after warnings that she was in danger of sexual abuse and had been ostracised as a half-caste by her tribe.

    For what should I say sorry to Archie Roach, famous for his song Took the Children Away?

    Roach, in fact, said yesterday he was removed when he was three because "word got around" he was neglected -- his parents weren't there, and his sister was trying to care for him.

    For what should I say sorry to all the "stolen children" like these - activist Robert Riley, whose mother dumped him at a home; author Mudrooroo Narogin, who turned out to be neither stolen nor Aboriginal; claimant Joy Williams, whose mother gave away her illegitimate girl; bureaucrat Charlie Perkins, whose mother asked a boarding school to help her gifted boy; and "stolen generations" leader Annette Peardon, whose mother was jailed for three months for neglecting her children.
    Yep, I'm totally pissed off at the liars seeing easy $$ right now(lawyers too). Taking advantage of a situation & the real "stolen" ones are just sitting there waiting to be heard & they may not be able to prove their case anyway.
    To many stories & no way to prove their case.
    The Govt need to get their act together & sift through cases quickly & effeciently...(sorry for that joke)
    Kick the liars up their arse!! The first few high profile Aboriginal leaders (who you mentioned above) who rort the system, sending them to jail should steady the rest off.
    The Govt Indecision, letting things lag on & fester, letting the liars get away with things just makes it worse for everybody.
    Happy to be here......still

  • #16
    Premium Member
    Onefella's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Top End
    Posts
    2,063
    Thanks
    1,062
    Thanked 1,360 Times in 678 Posts
    Rep Power
    638
    Reputation
    18622

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post


    For what should I say sorry to Lorna Cubillo, who claimed compensation?

    Cubillo, in fact, was just seven, with no parents or even known guardian when she was found at a missionary-run ration camp in the bush, and sent to a home and school in Darwin.
    I don't know much about the other cases you mentioned Sanity, but I do know a little about Lorna Cubillo and there is another side to her case that you "quoted".

    Lorna was with a large group of her family when she was taken - and her parents were definitely known.

    Her story is quite well publicised and easily searched on the internet. Below is a few extracts from that easily found information.

    Lorna Cubillo was born on 8 August 1938, around Tennant Creek, to an Aboriginal mother and a white father. Her mother died when she was young and she was cared for by her mother’s sister and the sister’s husband, as well as by her grandmother. In 1945 she was taken to a settlement at Phillip Creek, which was jointly managed by the Northern Territory Administration and the Aborigines Inland Mission (AIM),[12] where she attended a small school. In 1947, at the age of eight, Cubillo was one of 16 children taken from Phillip Creek to AIM’s Retta Dixon Home in Darwin. The children were carried on the back of a truck that was driven by Les Penhall, a Patrol Officer under the direction of the Native Affairs Branch. Cubillo has described the scene as she remembers it: ‘There was a commotion, a lot of people crying, people were hitting themself with hunting sticks and blood was pouring down their faces.’[13] She was given control of a breast-feeding baby: its mother struggling first, then giving up and throwing herself on the ground, asking Cubillo to take care of the child.[14] Cubillo remembers she was scared: ‘I wasn’t even sure if I’d be killed. I didn’t know what was happening. I was in a state of confusion and so were the other children.’[15] The adults chased after the truck. - Macquarie Law Journal - CUBILLO V COMMONWEALTH: CLASSIFYING TEXT AND THE VIOLENCE OF EXCLUSION
    There was no issue of neglect or lack of food or welfare consideration for these children. Lorna
    Cubillo was in good health and developing as any other normal 8 year old child in that
    aboriginal community. Lorna Cubillo’s sisters – full blood – using the phrases of the time –
    were aboriginal kids. They were not taken – the only criteria for removal was the colour of skin.
    Lorna Cubillo was part aboriginal or in the terminology of the time “half-caste”. Half-caste
    children were removed from their families. - Jack Rush Q.C.
    In the institution in Darwin physical punishment was the norm. To give you an example of
    that punishment the evidence of Lorna Cubillo was to the effect on one occasion in 1955 she
    was flogged by a make missionary with the buckle end of a belt which caused scarring to her face
    and the partial severing of a nipple. Her crime was to splash in a creek on a Sunday. For the
    religious zealots who ran the institution to do such a thing on Sunday, the Sabbath, was
    deserving of this punishment. - Jack Rush Q.C.
    A 1953 inquiry by a patrol officer with the Native Affairs Branch into conditions at Retta Dixon and other mission homes for children of mixed descent reported,

    The Home in its present location and form is a failure, and the children are merely benefitting to the extent that they are clothed, fed, and are receiving some form of education. The only other contribution to their upbringing is perhaps the religious training given by the staff, which to my mind is made to play far too important a part in their formative years, and is far too restrictive - Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission - Bringing them Home - The Report
    Lorna and Peter Gunner lost their landmark case against the Commonwealth in 2000 despite a wealth of witnesses and documented evidence. Some say it was a politically motivated decision to dismiss the case and the decision has caused great concern for Law societies and legal commentators.

  • #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    570
    Thanks
    464
    Thanked 77 Times in 53 Posts
    Rep Power
    226
    Reputation
    450

    Default

    channel seven perth tonight recorded that an average of 7 lost generation claims a day have been made with a legal team against the wa government since the statement by k rudd saying sorry .at least now we know the outcome of his statement .also according to channel 7 the legal wiz kids are asking for a minimum of $80,000 out of court settlement for each claim from the state goverment...here goes our money again!!!!!!!!!!!!
    as you say state gov nothing to do with the feds, not even ruddy,s fault its been going on for ages

  • #18
    Senior Member
    zzzzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    australia/thailand )
    Posts
    506
    Thanks
    193
    Thanked 431 Times in 75 Posts
    Rep Power
    375
    Reputation
    8077

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by anyone View Post
    as you say state gov nothing to do with the feds, not even ruddy,s fault its been going on for ages
    you should read the transcript of that nights news on 7 ..also dont forget state = labour fed = labour

  • #19
    Senior Member z80's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    5,840
    Thanks
    112
    Thanked 77 Times in 48 Posts
    Rep Power
    0
    Reputation
    708

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by aa23 View Post
    .


    By the way, what DID Kevin Rudd saying "Sorry" actually achieve?
    Did someone who was stolen suddenly say to themselves, "Well, I feel all better now" and start the next day of their life totally different?
    Nope. They just started rubbing their hands together thinking of all the shit they can try and cause.
    Seriously, what did saying Sorry really achieve?


    Believe it or not there are some people out there (yep, even those black uneducated, alcoholic, child molesting abbos), who are actually human, with human emotions and are deeply affected by the abuse meted out to them.

    Yep...they, as adults, when reminded, still cry, even the tough guys.

    So how could they possibly be in need of an apology eh?

    Well if it's good enough for the white folk to get an apology from the Japanese then why not for the dirty filthy inebriated black fellas?

    It's probably best exemplified by the new age approach of the victims of crime facing those who wronged them thereby soliciting an apology.

    It's called closure and believe it or not, for those who the apology will have the most meaning are the ones who have the worst stories to tell and will most likely avoid the spotlight.

  • #20
    Administrator
    admin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Victoria
    Age
    56
    Posts
    31,150
    Thanks
    2,238
    Thanked 13,731 Times in 5,823 Posts
    Rep Power
    4552
    Reputation
    165805

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    I don't know much about the other cases you mentioned Sanity, but I do know a little about Lorna Cubillo and there is another side to her case that you "quoted".

    Lorna was with a large group of her family when she was taken - and her parents were definitely known.

    Her story is quite well publicised and easily searched on the internet. Below is a few extracts from that easily found information.
    Firstly , just to correct one thing you said , I didnt state her parents were not known. I said she had no parents or known guardian. She lived in a camp and had no known official guardian.

    Jack Rush , QC , is the person that represented Cubillo and Gunner in a compensation bid. It is of course very unlikely that he would be quoting anything bad about them , he was defending them in a case that would have netted him a lot of money if succesfull ( He was instrumental in getting James Hardie victims 4 BILLION dollars....wonder what his cut was ? ). Unfortunately for Mr Rush , he wasnt succesfull in the Cubillo or Gunner case.

    You are correct in that there is plenty of readily available information on the internet about it. True. But it depends on what you want to read , obviously Pro Aboriginal groups are very unlikely to post anything unless it furthers their cause and in most cases present wild accusations based on little or no fact at all and seem to think that any and every accusation is deserving of financial reward regardless of any proof whatsoever.

    Aboriginal Australians need to realise that most Australians believe that there needs to be some sort of proof to their actual claims and to what their actual claim is. Otherwise , any Australian would then be able to sue the government for anything they like with little to no evidence at all. That being the case , we would have a bankrupt country.

    Cubillo and Gunner were chosen as the 2 best cases QC Rush had to win. He failed. When asked why Cubillo and Gunner's cases were chosen , QC Rush explains :

    JACK RUSH, QC: These were chosen as the test cases because they, in our view, best represent the type of conditions, the evidence that we could produce of the Government's policy of removal.
    If I wanted to quote QC's , I could quote Douglas Meagher QC for the Government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Meagher QC
    There was no blanket power of removal. Many half-caste children were admitted to institutions at the request of their parents.

    Children were able to go home for school holidays. Mothers were entitled to visit their children. If they didn't, perhaps they'd chosen to abandon their children.

    It was a policy to meet a very serious welfare problem.

    The half-caste child, deserted by a white father, brought difficult times for mother and child alike
    Your last quote shows that children were fed , clothed and received an education. To me , thats a hell of a lot better than living in shit , abuse , neglect and alcoholism and violence. Gunner's mother signed authorisation for his removal so it doesnt say much for Mr Rush's choices of the best cases of evidence.

    Lets face it , if some of these children werent removed , we would now be sitting here discussing court cases were Aboriginals were sueing the government for not removing them from dangerous conditions and dysfunctional families and as a result they are now mentally scarred , dysfunctional etc etc and they are sueing the government for failing in duty of care under the human services act of the day.


    Lorna and Peter Gunner lost their landmark case against the Commonwealth in 2000 despite a wealth of witnesses and documented evidence. Some say it was a politically motivated decision to dismiss the case and the decision has caused great concern for Law societies and legal commentators.
    Gunner lost his case because it was proven his mother gave permission for him to be sent to Alice Springs to be given a schooling.

    Cubillo's case , while somewhat more complex , was dismissed because " the Commonwealth is not responsible for the past actions of the Northern Territory's former "Directors of Native Affairs".

    " Some " can say all they like , but they have to face facts as to what grounds actions were or were not allowed to be taken and on whos authority.

    Logically of course that decision simply throws the hot coals on the states , who after the SA Trevorrow decision , could end up losing so much money from their coffers that the rest of the states occupants suffer due to budget cutbacks to finance Aboriginal compensation. WA and NT in particular are states that would be on the bad end of the stick.

  • Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

    Similar Threads

    1. Members on line
      By phoenix in forum General Chat
      Replies: 3
      Last Post: 04-01-08, 08:12 PM

    Bookmarks

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •