Reply With QuoteBallpark? about 10K.
$3000 for a decent DVR.
$1500 for 2 HD cameras and 90degree angle lens (covert).
$5000 for 2 Day/Night PTZ speed domes and keyboard controller.
Looking for advice on CCTV...
Hey Guys,
I have a need to secure another of my business's a little more.
We are currently using a 'yin-chen-wah' DVR system 8 Channel which is good but we would like the get to a decent system.
The things I would like would be 2 hidden camera's for the tills (ie looking down), 2 PTZ for external and night use and 4 internal domes (maybe with PTZ).
Also things like IP access from anywhere would be a preference.
I am happy to have a look at something second hand or new and I guess recommendations of good and bad products.
Having been down the cheap path I am fully aware that this will cost extra ...the big question is how much?
Cheers guys!
Matt
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Ballpark? about 10K.
$3000 for a decent DVR.
$1500 for 2 HD cameras and 90degree angle lens (covert).
$5000 for 2 Day/Night PTZ speed domes and keyboard controller.
OK too much!
and thats only 4 cams...eek
forget PTZ
The DVR I was hoping for around $2000 and the cams around the same...
Could this be possible? 4K?
It is possible, you may even get 4 mid range cameras as the two I quoted are high end.Originally Posted by mattwalker1975
lol!
As per OP ... need 8
I hate sending my money O/S...looks like I am out of options
Cheers George
Li Lin have a mini PTZ camera ( x3 , x10 or x20 ) starting at around $400 ( last I looked ) I've used them a couple of times & they are not too bad. Positioning covert cameras above a till can be a headache to get the position just right. What you see for someone that is right handed will be different for someone that is left handed. Also keep in mind that budget covert cameras usually have a crappy lens ( fixed or manual iris ) so lighting is a major concern. Most professional DVRs will do the job you want & you should be able to get an 8 chan for around $1200 ( entry level)
One more thing - PTZ will chew up your storage capacity
Last edited by watchdog; 31-07-09 at 10:33 PM.
Cool ... thanks watchdog!
Yeah PTZ is gone...the budget is just not there.
I could lose the covert cams as well I guess.
a $1200 DVR will chew up and spit out what I am currently using.
Li-lin huh? Know any resellers in Melb?
keep in mind that if you have the system designed by someone that knows what their doing you might get away with not using ptz cameras. also fixed focal length cameras are superior when installed correctly. do a little homework and get a few quotes.
another point u might want to consider is who the hell has 8 hours a day to watch transactions over a till. get the cameras out in the open and put your employees on notice. same with ptzs, are you gonna sit their all day zooming in and out keeping an eye on things?????
the amount of times i have seen ptz's installed flicking from one position to another doing jack shit is unbelievable.
That's why you use 1/2" CCD cameras with Seikou right angle pinhole lens. Lie the camera flat on the ceiling and drill a 1mm pin hole. Best used in ceiling tiles as there perforated look of them disguises the pinhole.
lol, mind reader!!
george is bang on, if more installers understood the field o view difference's in regards to ccd size it makes installations work better and more economical.
intelliGEORGE (31-07-09)
The $500 lilin PTZ won't help you out at night, what you need is a day/night model which would put you in the original ball park I gave you.
Install a decent DVR, and a few cameras. When you save a little more then move on to the next step. As long as the recorder is a good choice, then later on when you get more cameras the DVR is still good enough to use.
OK...I will bite.
Whats the difference between a $1200 DVR and a $3k one?
I understand the camera bit (kind of) and will def not do the PTZ thing now.
I am also interested in seeing what someone could install...we will get to that though
Ok. Where do I start?
$1200 will get you a 1970 datsun
$3000 will get you a 2009 Commodore
$20000 will get you a Bugatti Veyron
The main differences between a 1200 and a 3k unit would be global fps recording, resolution, compression codecs, and software features.
1200 would get you an entry level DVR with an average of 200fps global recording (don't let this figure fool you, it means 200fps @ CIF resolution) which means if you want to record at a decent resolution you have to quarter the frame rate. So the DVR's "TRUE" recording rate is 50fps @ 4CIF globally and if the DVR is 8ch that means 6.25fps /channel @ 4CIF. Doesn't sound crash hot now.
3000 will get you a 200fps @ 4CIF globally which is, based on 8chs, 25fps per channel (same frame rate as broadcast TV). Also, a DVR in this price range will come with video analytics, powerful software that enables you to do such things as head counting, Unattended object detection, missing object detection, crowd detection etc.
The list goes on but the car analogy sums it up.
c_amos88 (04-08-09)
hmmmm OK
I like the sound of this:
powerful software that enables you to do such things as head counting, Unattended object detection, missing object detection, crowd detection etc.
GOt any preference on models?
Before you ask "Whats a CIF"? I'll explain.
In DVR's resolution of recorded images are known as CIF's (Common Intermediate Format). This is the format used to standardise the horizontal and vertical resolutions in pixels of a video signal.
CIF = 352pixels wide × 288pixels high
4CIF = 704pixels wide × 576pixels high
This image illustrates the difference between CIF, TV-PAL 4CIF, Megapixel and 3 Megapixel.
c_amos88 (04-08-09)
Head counts - Handy if you want to monitor how many people walk in and out and at what times. You can generate reports on hourly/daily/weekly or monthly basis. Retailers love this as they can organise staff around busy peaks.
Unattended Object Detection - Person walks onto a platform, leaves a briefcase and walks away, the DVR will generate an alarm (thanks 9-11)
Missing Object Detection - Define an object like a tip jar or donations tin on a counter for example, if it goes missing the DVR will generate an alarm.
Crowd detection is pretty self explainitory.
GeoVision, IMO, make the best DVR capture cards, you supply the PC whack the card in and you got a DVR.
c_amos88 (04-08-09)
OK so we are moving closer...
What is D1 and HD1 recording formats?
This is from an ebay listing:
Display Frame Rate
PAL: 100 fps / NTSC: 120 fps
Playback Resolution
PAL: CIF(352x288), HD1(704x288), D1(704x576)
NTSC: CIF(352x240), HD1(704x240), D1(704x480)
Total Recording Frame Rate
PAL: 100fps@CIF
NTSC: 120fps@CIF
D1 is known as full frame, or 4CIF. HD1 is halfD1 or 2CIF.
mattwalker (14-09-09)
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