Reply With QuoteCorrect If only we had 4.1 keys on the card the whitie would never have stopped working so it would appearOriginally Posted by fasulye
R.I.P Whitie
Long time but I thought all the bytes before the second length byte were not used in the sig calc.
It would affect the checksum.
Havent played in years lol
Last edited by Oscar; 04-11-09 at 08:18 PM.
Correct If only we had 4.1 keys on the card the whitie would never have stopped working so it would appear
R.I.P Whitie
Last edited by aZz; 05-11-09 at 01:37 AM.
Here are some basic log observations.
1. The new 1030 CB/C3 began to appear about 4 months ago
2. Initially the numbers were small but over a period of 6 weeks increased dramatically.
3. Now almost 60% of the HSNs receive the new 1030 CB/C3's
4. About 40% still receive the older 0030 CB/C3's. From this you can only assume the counter measure has either been targetted to a specific range or version of the card.
5. During this period of time new EMMs messages appeared.
6. There appears to be a 14 day transition where the HSN receives the new 1030 CB/C3 but two different 02 EMMs for it provider id. One is processed by the whitey. (This is the indication the end is near).
7. After about 2 weeks of first receiving the 1030, the cutover to the new counter measure is coompleted.
The fact that there is transition period implies it not the use of the something pre-existing in the card. The sub clearly received an OTA of some form. To ensure continuity of service the sub receives both EMMs for a period of time.
So to understand what has happened you need to look at the past.
Yes, those observations are correct, but what is your explanation?
I would add a couple more observations:
1. some 4.1 cards continue to work and have not yet been targeted by 1030's suggesting the older style 0030's are likely for either 4.1 cards or older boxes
2. some new boxes with 5.3 cards received an OTA firmware Dload about 2 weeks ago raising the possibility that the STB pre-processes the 1030's.
ag
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weirdo (05-11-09)
So you don't think this is in readyness of the new services that will be offered by the new bird?
I don't know anything LOL.
I am interested in how you think the encryption has been changed to make the cards decrypt the existing 1030's to nonsense. If you look at the decrypted packets now, there are no recognisable commands, apart from the fact that the MAC is wrong.
As you would know from the gammacard sourcecode that has been circulating for the past few years, the decryption does not operate on the HSN or 10 30 part of the packet, so changing this does not in itself alter the packet contents (but it does affect the MAC).
So the only logical conclusions are
1. the cam pre-processes the packets - or -
2. the keys have changed - or -
3. the whole card decryption has changed - or -
4. it's some kind of magic
WRT the Dload, I suppose it's possible that the box needed updating to facilitate different transponders, but I don't see why that would be necessary given that the box should be able to find the additional TPs from the NIT.
Rather than asking questions, why don't you tell us what you think?
ag
Energy is the father of creation
Just a quick question about a whitey so i dont need to start a new thread...
Is a whitey the only card that gets the yellow singe on the back of the card (opposite side of the sim) or do goldies and fun cards have the same problem?
Cheers
Yes and no.
Essentially all the wafer/sub cards are made of plastic apart from the chip. What causes them to burn is the reader running too hot and causes the plastic to burn slightly or melt/warp the card. So yes, all cards have the same problem.
rewstar (05-11-09)
It's not the reader running too hot it's the chip on the card running too hot! It's a result of too high a voltage being supplied to the card. Hence there are mods that are done to the card readers to lower the voltage from 5v down to 3v.
Leroy
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I partially disagree.
If the card runs at its rated voltage it shouldn't burn the plastic.
Problem with whitey is that the processor is mcore and should run at 3v, but most if not all boxes and card readers run 5v.
ag
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I still think they are just really cheap Chinese cards LOL
When you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all
they're cheap now lol
.........Leroy
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I had one whitey that burnt up like the Columbia at 5V, but liked 3V. I had a much later one that wouldn't work at 3V but stayed cool at 5V. I put a switch on my IR-Ace to change voltages. Ah, those were the days. It seems so long ago. Still, there's always something just around the corner.
Man, that must have made a mess of the decoder and the rest of the house
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Maybe I exaggerate a little!Man, that must have made a mess of the decoder and the rest of the house
How many really know??
I certainly don't.
I was saying that I wouldn't mind a bin file, if anyone had one that could be of interest.
G'day Elbee.
How are Ya.
GranDad.
elbee111 (09-11-09)
That's more like my ass after i have had Vindelo the night beforeMaybe I exaggerate a little!
When you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all
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