Starting Again

[mannaoz]

Just get a >expletive< dreambox & stop looking backwards

Wonder what your wholesaler thinks of your advice here,

[Fernbay]

Wonder what your wholesaler thinks of your advice here,

Uh? I'm not following you.

I'm light heartedly trying to point you in the direction of a dreambox.

For around the $100 you could save yourself a lot of the pain your suffering with your antique decoders.

And the dreambox also offers many new doors to be opened that your current decoders have zero chance of achieving.

It's honest, good advice.

I'm somewhat ambivalent as to if you choose to follow the advice or not. You may well choose not to listen. That's OK.
You may want to research them first too. After all, they are not a box for newbies or for those lacking basic computer skills..... But if you can afford to go splashing out a hundred odd bucks for a dreambox decoder and have some basic skills, then I would highly recommend going down that path

[mannaoz]

Sorry Fernbay
Just making light of a dull dull day here. You will soon fell the power of the storm overhead.
I am believe me taking all the advice I am receiving doing searches and then going back and redoing it.
My humor is somewhat left of center sometimes. Humbly bowing head touching the ground

[mannaoz]

OK, no words about the Strong 4990 unit I have ?

Well I have this question re dish sizes and what is the advantage relationships.

I have the old Galaxy dish measures "700w X 600h" which was the the one I had on the roof at the start of this tread and I though maybe if I put a new one up would give me a better signal, the new one I added is basically the same but "600w X 750h". I have a bigger one which I want to put up but need to cut some new thicker pipe to hold the dish "840w X 970h" .
All these are oblong dishes so far seems the new one is not doing anything better than the Galaxy was. I read also of the LNB focus patterns and frequency can have an impact on what you see but I haven't found the magical formula or information of what combination is the correct one to use for what dish size etc etc.
I would have assumed the bigger the dish the better the signal but seems size here is not the issue. ?? In fact the signal I was receiving with the older dish was stronger then and I was receiving more channels to boot. Very confusing. I feel I need a new LNB as this on I have the plastic cover is starting to break down. It is Zinwell ZKF-CH21. Not that I want to continue speeding money but I want to get to that point of having a good basic system working and move on to the next level in this now hobby. Still along way to go.

[Fernbay]

Just replace the LNB with a 10700

A bigger dish will only delay (or eliminate depending on size) when 'rain fade' starts.

If you have signal, then your after a zero BER.
It's easy to get a zero BER off Optus C1/D1

I wouldn't get too caught up on the dish. If the LNB and cable is good, and it's aligned correctly, then it will work just as well as the millions of other foxtel dishes scattered around the country. Yours won't be any different.

[LeroyPatrol]

I'm lost.....where did the Strong 4990 come from?

Leroy

[mannaoz]

Well I forgot I had one of these sitting on the floor.
Brought it and then forgot I had it. So this may be the way to start
Would prefer to have an HD but seeing its here.
Whats the opinion ??

It's easy to get a zero BER off Optus C1/D1 ?? Please

[mannaoz]

Thanks for the advice
Still I am intrigued to understand the relationships here.
Give me a guidance of where to search for information
Wanting to learn more.

[LeroyPatrol]

Well I forgot I had one of these sitting on the floor.
Brought it and then forgot I had it. So this may be the way to start
Would prefer to have an HD but seeing its here.
Whats the opinion ??

It's easy to get a zero BER off Optus C1/D1 ?? Please

You forgot you had a HD Sat/Terrestrial PVR? Well I know what I would be using I've never used one but if you do a search people complain about the hard disk getting corrupted when using as a PVR and lack of channel info like if it's a mpeg 4 stream etc.
But if you've got it I'd be running with that for sure and it should give a good pic via HDMI.
You should get zero BER. If not then your dish is not aligned properly.

Leroy

[mtv]

Zero BER?

Depends what you are measuring the BER with.

I'm usually measuring some pre viterbi BER errors with the spectrum analyser, but they are negligible.

It's certainly easy to obtain reliable reception from C1/D3.

[mannaoz]

Is there anyone out there brave enough to let me contact them on the phone as these forums although great are so tedious and sometimes lacking in content. This would be from a PM first to authenticate my inquiry. This can be on Skype or what ever if you are afraid to give ones phone number out. Strange state of affairs to speak of as in the past this was the method of communication if not face to face. A disclaimer here " not saying the folk that respond are. But its the way the communication is done. In the old days a call would clear a situation quickly. Now it seems its days , weeks before the point can be settled. There are some things I am OK with but there are the basics that aren't being addressed here. So I say this if someone is prepared to engage I will not take up a lot of time as the small details can and will be addressed simply and without fuss/ Hope and caring to pass on this information one day.

[mannaoz]

You forgot you had a HD Sat/Terrestrial PVR? Well I know what I would be using I've never used one but if you do a search people complain about the hard disk getting corrupted when using as a PVR and lack of channel info like if it's a mpeg 4 stream etc.
But if you've got it I'd be running with that for sure and it should give a good pic via HDMI.
You should get zero BER. If not then your dish is not aligned properly.

Leroy

Wish it was would simplfiy the posts. But alas its a n ST not an HD the 4991

[mannaoz]

Zero BER?

Depends what you are measuring the BER with.

I'm usually measuring some pre viterbi BER errors with the spectrum analyser, but they are negligible.

It's certainly easy to obtain reliable reception from C1/D3.

When I asked what the BER was I was asking just that.
Your reply although gratefully received gave no indication of the question.
I wish there were folk that could see their answers do not help infact hinder us newbies.


I just hope that when I have my wings I offer better assistance.

Sorry for the negativity but you guys look at what you write in your eyes sounds great in mine is WTF??!!

[LeroyPatrol]

It's easy to get a zero BER off Optus C1/D1 ?? Please

Yes and it's a simple as that. That sat's signal is so strong.

Leroy

[mannaoz]

Yes and it's a simple as that. That sat's signal is so strong.

Leroy

Simple as what???

You may be gods in your field but to us NEWBIES have no ideas what this is.

You are like my dear long gone Father.
Son one day we will tell you what sex is.

FATHER what is this

Simple and straight forward.

You know but we OK I don't

[beer4life]

Is there anyone out there brave enough to let me contact them on the phone as these forums although great are so tedious and sometimes lacking in content. This would be from a PM first to authenticate my inquiry. This can be on Skype or what ever if you are afraid to give ones phone number out. Strange state of affairs to speak of as in the past this was the method of communication if not face to face. A disclaimer here " not saying the folk that respond are. But its the way the communication is done. In the old days a call would clear a situation quickly. Now it seems its days , weeks before the point can be settled. There are some things I am OK with but there are the basics that aren't being addressed here. So I say this if someone is prepared to engage I will not take up a lot of time as the small details can and will be addressed simply and without fuss/ Hope and caring to pass on this information one day.

G'Day Cobber,
You are being monocular and selfish with your request.
It is far better that problems be openly aired, where there is a wider range of expertise and so that many others can understand the solutions.
Many of those that reply to your questions, do so voluntarily and not for kudos or monetary rewards. If you want one on one coaching, I'm sure that you can get it at a price.
Sit back and ponder where you could research your chosen field of endeavor if it were all conducted behind closed doors.
If you carefully read many of the threads, you will see that the long winded replies are as a result of the paucity of information given in the first place. Many posts are often wasted gleaning basic information so that the problem can be correctly assessed and a remedy found.

Kindest Regards, " The Druid ".

[mtv]

When I asked what the BER was I was asking just that.
Your reply although gratefully received gave no indication of the question.
I wish there were folk that could see their answers do not help infact hinder us newbies.


I just hope that when I have my wings I offer better assistance.

Sorry for the negativity but you guys look at what you write in your eyes sounds great in mine is WTF??!!

mannaoz,

Actually, it was Fernbay who I was responding to, as it was him who made the statement about zero BER.... and he would have understood my response perfectly.

My apologies for you misunderstanding the post was directed at you.

What is BER?.... In simple terms (which hopefully you'll understand) it's a measurement of errors in the digital signal data stream. A digital receiver is able to correct errors up to a certain point, however, if there are too many errors happening too quickly, the receiver is unable to process them fast enough and the vision breaks up (pixellates) auido develops clicks/pops and then you lose reception altogether. BER relates directly to signal quality, together with MER (Modulation Error Ratio) and noise margin.

Pre-viterbi BER is the measurement of the BER prior to the viterbi error correction being applied. Post-viterbi (as the name implies) is the BER after viterbi error correction. A further error correction process follows that, which is Reed-Solomon.

For reliable reception, you need a low BER... the lower the better.

BER meters/graphs/scales in receivers are notoriously innaccurate.

My $10K spectrum analyser measures BER in real-time (instantly.. doesn't require time to stabilise after adjustments of the receiving antenna).

For a more detailed explanation of BER, try here:



Apart from forum searches on subject matter, internet searches are highly recommended for answers also.

I hope you find the explanation answers your questions sufficiently.

[mannaoz]

beer4life
With the greatest respect for what you say

Thats rubbish
I have have now been asking questions for the last week and still have been up against the wall.
If you or others think I am unworthy of your replys so be it.
But as a newbie the answers have been some less than complete.
this frustration may be felt by others that have just gone away in frustration.
If you can't see what I say is help so be it
We all lose.
I am at the stage that this forum is only for the few that either understand or concede to the rigors of percussion if this is so you guys once more win.

I am so angry that you have some innate gender not to help fellow enthusiasts.
And inreply to your question...


No request can be taken as you say

G'Day Cobber,
You are being monocular and selfish with your request.
How bloody dare you say that
Yes I am pissed

[Fernbay]

You titled this thread 'Starting Again'

That might be good idea.

It can be frustrating when the obvious is missing..

Can we start with your questions please.
Perhaps you could number them.... Say

1.

2.

3.

Three should be plenty to start with. We can deal with others as they arise

Try to be as precise and as detailed as you can

beer4life
With the greatest respect for what you say

Thats rubbish
I have have now been asking questions for the last week and still have been up against the wall.
If you or others think I am unworthy of your replys so be it.
But as a newbie the answers have been some less than complete.
this frustration may be felt by others that have just gone away in frustration.
If you can't see what I say is help so be it
We all lose.
I am at the stage that this forum is only for the few that either understand or concede to the rigors of percussion if this is so you guys once more win.

I am so angry that you have some innate gender not to help fellow enthusiasts.
And inreply to your question...


No request can be taken as you say

G'Day Cobber,
You are being monocular and selfish with your request.
How bloody dare you say that
Yes I am pissed

[viewer]

Thats rubbish
I have have now been asking questions for the last week and still have been up against the wall.
If you or others think I am unworthy of your replys so be it.
But as a newbie the answers have been some less than complete.
this frustration may be felt by others that have just gone away in frustration.
If you can't see what I say is help so be it
We all lose.
I am at the stage that this forum is only for the few that either understand or concede to the rigors of percussion if this is so you guys once more win.

I am so angry that you have some innate gender not to help fellow enthusiasts.

Well, I'm flabbergasted!

If you think my attempts at helping you were less than complete, well that's the last you'll here from me. I do try my best, but that's obviously not good enough by the sound of it.

I've been here longer than I care to remember, and received a huge heap of help in every area of the forum.

In that time, I would never have the balls, to make a statement like you have.

Good luck in getting help now...my door just slammed shut.