Winter Olympic Death.

[mate]

That's Manslaughter in my book...

The people responsible for signing off on that are a joke.....

So he does this 'professionally' and knows the risk he takes participating in this sport.
Very sad for a young man to die, but he obviously pushed himself to the limits. He lost control and the rest is in the news.
I'm sure there will be an inquiry as to the speed, the pole, the helmet, the equipment the track, the first aid, and everything else they want to look at. But the guy is dead, why let the media and the lawyers have a feeding frenzy at his expense.

His name was Nodar Kumaritashvili .

[bigfella08]

So he does this 'professionally' and knows the risk he takes participating in this sport.
Very sad for a young man to die, but he obviously pushed himself to the limits. He lost control and the rest is in the news.
I'm sure there will be an inquiry as to the speed, the pole, the helmet, the equipment the track, the first aid, and everything else they want to look at. But the guy is dead, why let the media and the lawyers have a feeding frenzy at his expense.

His name was Nodar Kumaritashvili .

Yes a dangerous sport...But regardless of the speed,helmet,poles,etc......you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that there was a massive design/safety floor on the track with the lack of guard rails and alike to protect the athletes, It would have just been a matter of time...... they have had numerous warnings in regard to the safety of the track and this incident only highlights this.

They have a duty of care there and did not honour it very very sad.

As for the media and lawyers unfortunately that is the world we live in today....

[Godzilla]

So he does this 'professionally' and knows the risk he takes participating in this sport.
Very sad for a young man to die, but he obviously pushed himself to the limits. He lost control and the rest is in the news.
I'm sure there will be an inquiry as to the speed, the pole, the helmet, the equipment the track, the first aid, and everything else they want to look at. But the guy is dead, why let the media and the lawyers have a feeding frenzy at his expense.

At all levels of sport there are supposed to be bodies to oversee sports persons safety.

Over the years there have been many deaths in motorsport, thankfully these have led to improvements and changes, the cars and drivers have become faster yet deaths are fewer and close to rare.

There is no "he lost control and the rest is news" or "he knew what he was getting himself into", its an obvious avoidable death, there should have been a guard rail or wall protecting the sportsperson from the beams.

If the officials dont do something about it then the sports persons should take it into their own hands and boycott attending until something is done about it.

In most forms of motor sport the drivers have their own safety representatives, if its not safe, they refuse to run.

[mate]

Yes he lost control & the rest is in the news, who is to know if the pole he collided with is the main cause of his demise, what if he had a fit or blacked out due to his own personal conditions not being up to the task.
There are too many variables and unknowns prior to the accident involving Nodar Kumaritashvili, but as usual the experts around here are too willing to point at the bleeding obvious without looking beyond what the media tell them.

[z1gg33]

, who is to know if the pole he collided with is the main cause of his demise,

no disrespect, but are you serious?

edit: perhaps I am misunderstanding what your saying.

[mate]

no disrespect, but are you serious?

Sure the collision with the pole killed him, but what if he was not 100% and blacked out due to G's and had no control (not much but shut your eyes and hope in that sport anyway). Many things happen prior to the collision in many other sports and even people driving cars down the main street have heart attacks or fall asleep and have horrendous collisions.
Look beyond the news reporters wanting a quick headline.

[Godzilla]

Yes he lost control & the rest is in the news, who is to know if the pole he collided with is the main cause of his demise, what if he had a fit or blacked out due to his own personal conditions not being up to the task.
There are too many variables and unknowns prior to the accident involving Nodar Kumaritashvili, but as usual the experts around here are too willing to point at the bleeding obvious without looking beyond what the media tell them.

Your kidding me?

You think if a bee bit him on the butt and he lost control and hit the pole, its the bee that led to his death and not a safety issue that needs looking into?

Maybe your one of the officials over there that approved the run?

[z1gg33]

possibly i guess, but @ 21??? and an athlete. one would hope he was better than 95% of us austech posters

edit: I see, your saying perhaps something happened to create the crash... yep might be right. we'll never know...i would like to think that he has done it '000's times but yep maybe

editx2: NO EXPERT here, but looking at the footage. would seem that it was just a mistake on last bend (perhaps track design to blame), it does not look like he was out of control until he hits the last bend(bump).... but point taken

[mate]

Your kidding me?

You think if a bee bit him on the butt and he lost control and hit the pole, its the bee that led to his death and not a safety issue that needs looking into?

Maybe your one of the officials over there that approved the run?

By your logic, the SEC are guilty for all who died over the years when their cars collided with power poles, because they went at speed over the norm or they got pissed and then drove into a pole.
People design these tracks & power poles with good intention to suit a purpose and i'd be surprised if they didn't take many variables into account.
But that's it today everyone wants someone to point the finger at so they can blame them for the things in life that go wrong

[Godzilla]

People when setting up a street course take whatever action is necessary to avoid a pole being part of an accident.

They setup concrete barriers to stop the car passing through and cover it with tyre barriers to absorb the impact, even the car has a structural roll cage to ensure the driver is in a safety capsule.

Your analogy about power poles makes no sense, public roads are not a sporting event where man and machine are pushed to and beyond the limit.

[mate]

Your analogy about power poles makes no sense, public roads are not a sporting event where man and machine are pushed to and beyond the limit.

you just don't understand my point, it has nothing to do with a race or race track, it has to do with the human factor that is interacting with the said situation.

[Godzilla]

you just don't understand my point, it has nothing to do with a race or race track, it has to do with the human factor that is interacting with the said situation.

Did you know that part of designing a course is to take into consideration the what if factors?

I still dont understand your simplistic train of thought, if motor sport had followed your attitude we would still be back in the 60's.

Do you remember when Senna died?
Do you know some of the safety changes to make it avoidable?
Did you know since his death, other lives have been saved in far worse accidents?
Have you noticed sand and gravel run off areas to wash a cars speed off before hitting a wall?
Have you noticed tyre barriers to absorb the vehicles impact?
Have you noticed the regulation to keep the wheel assembly tethered to the car no matter what, to avoid it hitting a driver or spectator?
Have you noticed the higher cockpit side walls to protect the drivers heads?
Have you noticed the use of the hans device to stop neck injuries in side impacts?

All this because it saves lives, yes, its not done for fun.

The human factor is built into all this, even mechanical failure, its even more of a reason to have a safer run.

Basic safety 101, you dont have a sled and driver, racing past a line of exposed beams.

Its a no brainer, maybe they needed a death to give them a wake up call.

[ssrattus]

It seems incredulous to me they would design a course where if you lose it coming out of a corner you die..... they are now raising the sides of the wall where he came off the track.




"The statement said the Coroners Service of British Columbia and police had carried out investigations before the FIL had reviewed tapes.

"It appears after a routine run, the athlete came late out of curve 15 and did not compensate properly to make a correct entrance into curve 16," the statement said.

"This resulted in a late entrance into curve 16 and although the athlete worked to correct the problem he eventually lost control of the sled resulting in the tragic accident.

"The technical officials of the FIL were able to retrace the path of the athlete and concluded there was no indication that the accident was caused by deficiencies in the track.

"Based on these findings the race director, in consultation with the FIL, made the decision to re-open the track following a raising of the walls at the exit of curve 16 and a change in the ice profile."

Even before the death, there had been concerns about the dangers lurking along the $110 million track - which produces speeds 20km/h faster than previous Olympic circuits."

[bigfella08]

Breaking New's.......

Wet & Wild to put Power poles beside there downhill Slides to make things more exciting............

[weirdo]

What a terrible shame, all they needed to do was put up some perspex hoarding to keep any luger that comes off in the channel.
RIP Nodar. At least he died doing what he enjoyed.

[TechZone]

I was really shocked and angry to see those uncovered columns right next to a curve. In moto gp tracks even the angle of each curve is measured, and there are always protective tires everywhere...

[ol' boy]

Man that is a hard hit!!!
144.3Km to then hit a solid pole with the back of your head and have your body fold over you.

Ewwwwwww. Agreed, the sport is for mentals... But they should at least provided a safe working environment. I could see plenty of other places he could get launched out of that run.
The poor guy, just having a crack for himself and his country and ends up dead because $1000 worth of paneling wasn't installed.

[TechZone]

And they said they had made changes to the track, to make it safer... not enough it seems, and that should be pretty obvious. Every structure like that should be protected.