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    MELBOURNE, Australia (AP) -- Australian automaker GM Holden Ltd. has recalled 86,000 cars sold in Australia, the Middle East, New Zealand and Brazil because of a risk that an engine bay fuel leak could cause a fire, a company spokesman said Tuesday.

    The cars made by the General Motors Corp. subsidiary in 2006 and 2007 are known in Australia and New Zealand as VE Commodore and WM Commodore, as Chevrolet Lumina and Chevrolet Caprice in the Middle East and in Brazil, Chevrolet Omega, spokesman John Lindsay said.

    A variation sold in the United States as the Pontiac G8 was not recalled because its layout under the hood was different, he said.

    Lindsay said the recall was a precaution to prevent a potential fuel leak under the hood caused by a fuel line rubbing against a clip on an adjacent hose.

    "The chances of this happening are very low, but obviously we are erring on the side of caution," he said.

    The company will cover repair costs but has refused to put a figure on it.

    The recall includes 53,000 cars sold in Australia, 27,000 in the Middle East, 5,000 in New Zealand and 784




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    Quote Originally Posted by Trance View Post
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    MELBOURNE, Australia (AP) -- Australian automaker GM Holden Ltd. has recalled 86,000 cars sold in Australia, the Middle East, New Zealand and Brazil because of a risk that an engine bay fuel leak could cause a fire, a company spokesman said Tuesday.

    The cars made by the General Motors Corp. subsidiary in 2006 and 2007 are known in Australia and New Zealand as VE Commodore and WM Commodore, as Chevrolet Lumina and Chevrolet Caprice in the Middle East and in Brazil, Chevrolet Omega, spokesman John Lindsay said.

    A variation sold in the United States as the Pontiac G8 was not recalled because its layout under the hood was different, he said.

    Lindsay said the recall was a precaution to prevent a potential fuel leak under the hood caused by a fuel line rubbing against a clip on an adjacent hose.

    "The chances of this happening are very low, but obviously we are erring on the side of caution," he said.

    The company will cover repair costs but has refused to put a figure on it.

    The recall includes 53,000 cars sold in Australia, 27,000 in the Middle East, 5,000 in New Zealand and 784

    appears to be a common problem in todays life..what ever happened to the days when motor cars were put through every test they could think of and under extreme conditions as well before releasing them on to the public forum for sale ...do they even bother to test there safety under normal and extreme conditions or are they more interested in STYLE and PERFORMACE only

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    Of course they do a lot of testing etc but todays cars are so complex comparing to god old Kingswoods, Toranas something's always overlooked. Hopefully it won't be blamed to a small subsupplier.

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    i have found even with all the new technology around in modern cars they performance reliability and economy are not as good as the OLD basic type cars of yesteryear.the only thing i can say is maybe style and comfort are better today. why do we need computers on modern cars to control our fuel supply when the old carby did just as well !if not better in giving good mpg.
    and were simple to repair as well.

    and of course a small supplier will be blamed for the problem even though they likely made everything to there specs

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    sorry zzzzz but efi is there because it is more fuel efficiant, and develops more hp.

    all car manufacturers have recalls of one kind or another.

    id love to go back to the points and carb system because i could mechanicly see the problem and address it with a basic tool box.

    unfortunatly today you need a laptop to make a diagnosis.

    one thing for sure is things are going more and more to, hand it into the dealer so he can plug his unit in and pull the codes off.

    edit sorry my caps lock is broken, must have been yelling at someone...

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    Fuel economy has become fantastic because of fuel injection. No comparison with carby cars of yester year.

    Day to day reliability is most certainly better as well. I had a vn commodore that had approx 350k on it when I sold it. Still on its origional engine with only basic maintenance and it started every morning without fail for the years I had it.

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    totaly agree with you redstorm, but.....

    if you had to do a long trip, ie round aus, and knew a little about cars, would you take the late model car knowing if something fails you will be stranded in the middle of nowhere, or would you take the old system car that you could pull apart and fix in a emergency.

    2 schools of thought.

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    I understand what your saying Global and agree that if your was to break down youd be better off to fix an older technology type but I believe that newer tech cars dont break down at nearly the same rate .

    This is why id take my chances in a new car.

    Plus I am now use to the air con

    Maybe I have a false sense of security but I have no worries about jumping in my new car and driving a distance.

    A number of years ago I wouldnt do that without carefull preperation and inspection for fear of something breaking or failing.

    But hey, im not living in the dark.... I understand they can still break down.

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    agreed.

    new cars are much more reliable and efficient.

    the thing that i hate about them is when they breakdown all you can do is call a towtruck.

    i call a breakdown a catestrophic failure.

    have you tried to push start a manual late model car with a flat battery?
    you have to get so much more speed while pushing to fire up the alternator, to fire up the ecu, to fire up the fuel pump, to fire up the injectors, to fire up the ignition system.

    thats taking into consideration that your pushing down hill

    yep it is a two way street.

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    I work for a Holden dealer.
    This recall is just a precaution; all the cars I have looked at don’t have a problem. It’s a fuel line that when it gets hot and soft that it can sag down and rub on a saddle clamp under it, it must have happened but I have not seen one yet. I think all the cars that they test are hand built then tested, after that the production line builds them; this is where the problems start.

    Best I have seen is the a/c drain not drilled and the carpet fill with water

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    Got a 2001 VX Fuel injected V6 -terrific 200K without a fault ...almost.
    Bloody good ride to say the least ,as good as a 280 SE Mercedes I had . Not quite up to E-Type or BMW standard but it surprised me.

    Now on modern cars better to learn the new technology. The injectors are just a switch which operates at a set time for a set time . You only need a bulb to connect on to see if each one works.

    Each cylinder now has a coil to make a spark ,but the principle is the same.

    The new bit is the amazing chip and sensors which raise engine idle revs if too low , vary when and for how long the injectors are open.

    So there you are , thats the guts of it ,go fill in the details .

    Oh and the VX trouble -fuel float must have stuck one day and it told me I had a full tank when I didn't -only ever happened once - RACQ towed it off and had to drive it back when they found the fault. Very red faced.

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    Yep all sounds good while relaxing at home with a garage full of equipment.

    Could you take your light globe out on the side of the road, diagnose the fault, pull the fuse to turn off your fuel pump and take the pressure out of the fuel rail, undo the fuel rail to get to the injecter, unplug the injecter, and then guess what?
    Its a sealed unit and ya cant do nothing with it on the side of the road.

    Still think new cars are good and reliable, just difficult for the average person to play with.
    Learning to diagnose new cars is easy once you understand how the systems work.
    The problems assosiated with particular models are best learnt when buying a car by joining a forum that specialises in that model.

    Most of my GTR fault finding have nothing in common with my EA ford or nothing in common with my 2002 camry. Total diffent designs, and system engineering. Youd be surprised at some faults that ive diagnosed and the cause of them. I am a member in a forum for each car i own.

    Each car has its own weakness and problamatic areas known to enthusiasts.

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    I'm not disagreeing with you but:-
    When Windows comes out with a new operating system ,say vista, you update and learn the new don't you ?

    Same with cars I reckon.

    The bulb is only meant to tell you if its getting fuel or not . If one injector is faulty you'll' get a miss. If it stops the bulb is useful.

    You know the old first check for spark then check for fuel theory
    Personally I prefer an old unfettered V8 with a Weber. I could really understand them

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    You guys are all missing the most important reason for fuel injection and engine management systems.It's for pollution control mainly,each time a new model comes out it has to meet stricter emmision levels.Fuel economy and performance take a back seat here,as if it doesn't meet or exceed the emmission levels it doesn't even make it on the road.

    I'm with a Holden dealer as well,but tore a hamstring in my leg just before the rework came out so I haven't done any yet, as i'm not due back at work till later this week.

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