Grey Wolf Midnight Setting for ECM & EMM Cache

**checkitout** · 26-03-08, 12:52 AM

I was just going through some settings on my Grey Wolf Server and noticed for the card there is an area where you can place a tick to enable ECM & EMM cache.

Now I do not have this ticked however I am curious as to what would be the pro's and con's of using this or not.

Thanks for your feedback in advance.

**z80** · 26-03-08, 01:07 AM

It means if someone has already asked for it then it doesn't have to go to the card,just instantly dish it out from PC memory.

Especially evident when two or more boxes on the same channel.

Therefore faster responses means crappier internet connections are possible and less pixellation etc etc.

It's just a good thing and this program does the cacheing better than anything else.

**z80** · 26-03-08, 01:10 AM

It runs far better with all cache turned on no matter what program it is you use.

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**checkitout** · 26-03-08, 06:26 PM

Thanks that is great.

My Grey Wolf has cache turned off so I will go and turn it on.

I will be very interested to see if this helps with my pixelation issues.

Thanks Again

**gw1** · 28-03-08, 12:16 AM

If you're getting pixelation issues over internet at certain times of day but not others then monitor your ping times - if the latency varying dramatically then that'll be your problem.

Caching isn't so critical if you're only using a couple of receivers in a splitter-style arrangement. For larger networks a card would soon be swamped by requests without caching, so leave the caching options turned on.

**malrose** · 22-01-09, 10:49 AM

Can someone please explain what the "use fake card datails" are for?

Mal...

**fandtm666** · 22-01-09, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by malrose

Can someone please explain what the "use fake card datails" are for?

Mal...

so it can not be spidered ( re-shared )

if you were being nice and had friends the earlier greywolf allowed remote card reader option and as such people could login and reshare your share ( not being nice )

**z80** · 22-01-09, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by malrose

Can someone please explain what the "use fake card datails" are for?

Mal...

It sends a fake card serial number to clients, so that server card cant be identified for obvious reasons...

**malrose** · 22-01-09, 01:35 PM

So would this be possible..

Reading a valid CO#KSAR card with GW and then highlighting the fake card icon and save.

Then restart GW with sellers V3 card and the details of the valid card..

Am I just wishfull thinking

Cheers.

Mal..

**z80** · 22-01-09, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by malrose

So would this be possible..

Reading a valid CO#KSAR card with GW and then highlighting the fake card icon and save.

Then restart GW with sellers V3 card and the details of the valid card..

Am I just wishfull thinking

Cheers.

Mal..

Valid card does not work with greywolf....at all.

the fake details can be anything you want in ASCII (A=41,B=42 etc)

I used to have it say....."bullshit" when the Humax card info screen was selected on a client...

**malrose** · 22-01-09, 09:08 PM

Well, thats a bummer..

Maybe I should give up on sellers card ever working again....

But..

As the once great, named ralph in the simpsons said "Surrender to the Britions...... NEVERRRRRR".
..

I guess ill keep trolling the web and maybe... just maybe .. i wil find the key.. (I mean BIN..)

Cheers.

Mal..

**crypto7** · 22-01-09, 10:19 PM

CS 101
For a stb to get pics it needs a valid CW.
CW get decoded on the Smart Card.
ECMs get sent from the Sat to the stb which sends them to the card.

At this point no "valid" details are needed (except maybe the coco depending on the stb in use).

For the card to have to correct keys the key Updates MUST be sent to the card. These updates come in two main types...

The 1st Update EMM is to update the Plain Keys (used to decode the ECM into a CW). This is addressed to the Cards Provider ID. If you send the wrong ProvID EMM to the card, it WONT update the PKs...

The 2nd update EMM is to update the PMK (Plain Master Key) used to decode the Plain Keys (1st Update EMM above). This is addressed to the HSN (Hex Serial Number).

As a result to keep the card working, you need atleast 1 stb sending EMMs to the card and that stb MUST have valid details sent to it.

All other stbs could be set to to send EMMs (less traffic) and thus could have any ASN, HSN, ProvID, thus hiding the real card from those stbs that dont need to know it.

As to CS working... well good luck with that one.
As far as I know, both Austar and Select cant have their cards shared. Infact from memory I think Select stopped it working first. From what I heard and the way I think they do it, I cant see any way to get around the anti cs patching... So dont expect anything soon for those.

As to Foxtel... well thats NDS and I have no idea if that is getting shared or not. But even if it could, greywolf is and Irdeto CS application so work work with NDS.

While I'm here... In my opion, just buy a sub.
I cant remember all the actual costs I heard people were paying for the white cards, but I think it was something like...
$200-$300 for a stb
$400 ($800) for the card (lets say * 2 cause most people cooked the first one)
Then there were those 3 or 4 needed updates... @50 each so $200

Total so far $300 + $800 + $200 = $1300, so lets make that an even $100per month. Ok not a full sub, but getting close to it.

Based on these numbers, if austar could drop the full package back to the $80per month they had 3 years back... it would be cheaper.... Yes I know, Im dreaming again....

Bottom line... do the math to see if cs is worth the effort. If you are in it for the hobby and to learn... then start developing some inhouse software to do things.... you will soon learn how it all works....

Good Luck and have fun...

**Frank Drebin** · 22-01-09, 11:22 PM

top post crypto7 - thanks!

**zman** · 22-01-09, 11:42 PM

Reading the last sentance of this, perhaps things have changed for sharing Irdeto cards.....

Zman

**crypto7** · 23-01-09, 12:46 AM

I think overseas the providers dont think it is as bad as the Aus providers do, so cs still works. The same can be said for some of the overseas white cards as reports say the still work else where.

In my view, A smart card that ONLY responds to X ECMs every Y seconds then shuts down for Z seconds if breached would be hard to beat.
eg:

Lets say ECMS come in every 10 Seconds. Then the provider could set
X = 1 ECM
Y = 5 Seconds ie : 1 ECM every 5 Seconds or less
Z = 15 Seconds.

This would mean...

First ECM Arrivers
ECM_Counter = 1 Time = 10 : 10 / 1 = 1 ecm every 10 Seconds - OK
2nd ECM Arrivers
ECM_Counter = 2 Time = 20 : 20 / 2 = 1 ecm every 10 seconds - OK
Channel Change 2 seconds later
ECM_Counter = 3 Tome = 22 : 22 / 3 = 1 ecm every 7.3 Seconds - OK
ECM_Counter = 4 Time = 32 : 32 / 4 = 1 ecm every 8 seconds - OK
Channel Change 2 seconds later
ECM_Counter = 5 Tome = 34 : 34 / 5 = 1 ecm every 6.8 Seconds - OK
Channel Change 2 seconds later
ECM_Counter = 6 Tome = 36 : 36 / 6 = 1 ecm every 6 Seconds - OK

So normal viewing should be OK.
Now lets say we have 3 STBs on a CS

ECM_Counter = 1 Time = 10 : 10 / 1 = 1 ecm every 10 Seconds - OK
ECM_Counter = 2 Time = 11 : 11 / 2 = 1 ecm every 5.5 Seconds - OK
ECM_Counter = 3 Time = 12 : 12 / 3 = 1 ecm every 4 Seconds - FAIL

But with 2 Stbs those numbers tend to work till a channel change...
ECM_Counter = 1 Time = 10 : 10 / 1 = 1 ecm every 10 Seconds - OK
ECM_Counter = 2 Time = 11 : 11 / 2 = 1 ecm every 5.5 Seconds - OK
ECM_Counter = 3 Time = 21 : 21 / 3 = 1 ecm every 7 Seconds - OK
ECM_Counter = 4 Time = 22 : 22 / 4 = 1 ecm every 5.5 Seconds - OK
Channel Change
ECM_Counter = 5 Time = 24 : 24 / 5 = 1 ecm every 4.8 Seconds - FAIL

The above concept I think was proven wrong as many fast channel changes did not lock the card.... so this is just to outline how a method could be implemented into cards that could not be beaten with any cs software.

ie : if you cant reset the counters, then how do you get more then 2 stbs.

This is just one theory. There are others based around CHIDs and SIDS.

I aways thought that the Irdeto cards could to more things then were being used. This simple means that with over the air updates features could be turned on. This means the cs developers need to keep changing there code to allow for the change, but the providers dont need to spend any money to stop cs for little bit. Prime example was when the camkey from the stb to the card was changed to use the "encrypted" camkey and not the plain text version.

With these constent changes means constant working and not working cs setups. TV watchers would give up and only the techies and geeks would continue to play.

Dont forget, bottom line... ALL internet traffice can be traced. so any out of home cs could be seen buy all networks between you and your server.

I liked the comment about the in house and fair use. the wiki said it was not illegal, but could be in breach of contract.

I just got this from the "Austar Customer Agreement" form there web site

"3.3 Unauthorised use of the AUSTAR TV Service
You must not copy the AUSTAR TV Service or any part of it
or split, redirect, redistribute or otherwise offer or supply any
AUSTAR TV Service to any other place outside the Premises
without our prior written authorisation. We may suspend
provision of the AUSTAR TV Service if we have reasonable
belief that you have breached this clause or clause 3.2. We
may terminate or suspend this agreement if we reasonably
believe that you have breached this clause or clause 3.2,
have asked you to explain your conduct and you have failed
to do so satisfactorily."

This does seem to say CS inside you house is OK.

**z80** · 23-01-09, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by crypto7

I think overseas the providers dont think it is as bad as the Aus providers do, so cs still works. The same can be said for some of the overseas white cards as reports say the still work else where.

In my view, A smart card that ONLY responds to X ECMs every Y seconds then shuts down for Z seconds if breached would be hard to beat.
eg:

.

Actually here's food for thought crypto7.

A bit of lateral thinking.

Get a few friends (one per channel) and use the newcs allow/deny parameters.

Cache takes care of the rest.....

**crypto7** · 23-01-09, 02:16 PM

Hehe...

Or we could get 1 card for each channel. Get I dreambox per card (to keep them updated)... then let the cache take card of the reset....

Unlimited..... (** evil laugh **)

**LeroyPatrol** · 23-01-09, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by crypto7

Hehe...

Or we could get 1 card for each channel. Get I dreambox per card (to keep them updated)... then let the cache take card of the reset....

Unlimited..... (** evil laugh **)

You wouldn't need to do all channels, only the ones you want!

Leroy