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so for 1.4 public gamma cards are there mys@t gams available for them?
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good news just tried another serial cable, put in the card and pressed reset on gupp and voila! ATR = 3B 9F 21 0E 47 41 4D 4D 41 43 41 52 44 20 56 20 31 2E 34 9D : Gamma ATR OS v1.4
i guess it was from the serial cable
thanks for your help guys
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