geohot and fail0verflow being sued by sony, opinions?

[kcsoft]

who will win???

my money is on geohot and fail0verflow.

when you buy the console you should be able to do what you want with it.... however sony don't believe so.

[Seymour Butts]

Money wins

[nando]

Lawyers will win.

[roguefan99]

Its in the US, Sony had a fair hand in constructing the DCMA laws over there (as part of gaming, movie and music industries), so Sony will win this one easily.

[admin]

$10 bucks on sony

[Fernbay]

From

In a response to Sony's legal actions, fellow hackers have began to clone fail0verflow's tool repos. The tools are perfectly legal to distribute, as they contain no keys or copyrighted data. Hermes, who initially started the clone, requests that as many people as possible clone their code repo, to spread their tools to as many devs as possible.

A Computer Science professor, David S. Touretzky, at the University of Carnegie Melon has even backed the PS3 hackers. In and act of direct defiance, towards Sony's legal threat, David has cloned Geohot's previous site, complete with keys. This isn't the first time the professor has taken on a major corporation, in an effort to defend freedom of speech. He previously mirrored technical data, regarding CSS descrambling and was successful. The Geohot clone is currently hosted on the University's servers and it will remain to be seen if Sony attempts to take on the professor.

David S. Touretzky


Mirror of GeoHot's PS3 Jailbreak
January 11, 2011: Our friends at Sony are having another bad day: i.e., doing something breathtakingly stupid, presumably because they don't know any better. This time they're suing George Hotz for publishing PS3 jailbreak information, as reported by EnGadget and Attack of the Fan Boy. Hotz's jailbreak allows PS3 owners to run the software of their choice on a machine they have legally purchased. His site is geohot.com.
Free speech (and free computing) rights exist only for those determined to exercise them. Trying to suppress those rights in the Internet age is like spitting in the wind.
We will help our friends at Sony understand this by mirroring the geohot jailbreak files at Carnegie Mellon.

GeoHot Mirror
Click here for usage instructions. Note to Sony lawyers: no doubt you're eager to rack up another billable hour by sending legal threats to me and my university. Before you go down that unhappy road, check out what happened the last time a large corporation tried to stop the mirroring of technical information here: The Gallery of CSS Descramblers. Have you learned anything in ten years?


David S. Touretzky Research Professor of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Last modified: Wed Jan 12 0946 EST 2011

LEGAL TOOLS that do not contain any keys or any SONY software created by the team fail0verflow (please clone this respositoy and avoid to the big fish eats the small fish using the money and the recurses of one Multinational against talented people that seeking new hombrew uses in the PS3 console and the return of Linux)

Online Mirrors:









GitHub Clones:

[pete123]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
January 14, 2011

Law Firms defend Sony's Accusations against George Hotz

San Francisco, California – Today, attorneys Stewart Kellar and Yasha Heidari announced they intend to vigorously defend the baseless accusations asserted by Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC (“Sony”) against Mr. George Hotz.

“Make no mistake,” Stewart Kellar, intellectual property attorney and e-ttorney at law™ stated, “this case is not about Sony attempting to protect its intellectual property or otherwise seek bona fide relief from the court. Rather, it's an attempt from Sony to send a message that any individual using Sony hardware in a way Sony does not deem appropriate will result in harsh legal consequences from a multi-billion dollar company, irrespective of any legal basis or authority for such action.”

Sony recently filed suit against a number of individuals, including Mr. Hotz, a 21-year-old computer prodigy who is well-known for his accomplishments and innovations in the field of phone and computer development, such as for creating the ability to provide for iPhone interoperability between various cellular network carriers. Citing unfounded concerns and a dubious legal basis for jurisdiction, Sony seeks relief from the Court due to Mr. Hotz re-enabling core functionality of the Playstation 3.

“I think it is quite telling that Sony, who is legally required to provide notice to Mr. Hotz before seeking any special relief with the Court, decided to e-mail Mr. Hotz a copy of their motion at 7 p.m. when a hearing was scheduled for the next morning at 9 a.m. in California, while Mr. Hotz does not even live in California. Sony is seeking various unreasonable relief, such as seizing Mr. Hotz's personal property and computers. Luckily, the Court postponed the hearing,” said Yasha Heidari, Esq., managing partner at Heidari Power Law Group, LLC.

Mr. Kellar added, “This case not only has profound implications for the parties involved, but it also implicates core property rights for every consumer out there.” Recently in April of 2010, citing the fact that the Playstation 3's terms and conditions reserve the right to modify the PS3's settings and features, Sony inexplicably issued an “upgrade” that removes the end user's ability to utilize the PS3's OtherOS functionality. Consumer familiar with the PS3 know that OtherOS is a powerful tool that is critical in allowing its users to utilize the PS3 as a personal computer. Sony had previously touted the PS3's OtherOS as a major selling point and feature that would receive Sony's continued support. Yet, despite this, Sony took the position that consumers must either choose to upgrade the PS3 to play newer game titles and lose OtherOS support, or ignore the update to keep OtherOS but be prohibited from playing newer titles.

Mr. Heidari stated, “While most companies issue firmware upgrades to increase a product's abilities over its life cycle, Sony has taken the unacceptable and draconian approach of decreasing the PS3's capabilities by actually destroying a core feature of the PS3. Imagine taking in your car for an oil change and having the manufacturer remove your car's air conditioner, radio, and half its horsepower because of fears that other hypothetical individuals might abuse their vehicles. It just doesn't make any sense, and it's a slap in the face to the consumers that put their support behind the product.” Mr. Kellar proclaimed, “This case rests on Sony's misguided belief that it has the unfettered ability to control how consumers use the products they legitimately purchase.”

Both attorneys agree that Sony's interpretation of the law is quite troubling. The attorneys state they hope the judge will deny Sony's motion, but regardless of how the judge rules, they fully intend to defend Mr. Hotz in this action, which has wide-spread implications for consumers globally.

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[Drift]

Apple lost the jail breaking argument. I can't see this being much different for Sony.

[kcsoft]

sony's just being a bully. at the least geohot and fail0verflow will go down kicking and screaming!!

[AzzA]

Sony might win, but only in the USA... nowhere else is that screwed up!

There's already precedence in Australia against Sony's claims, so they have little chance of making a case here.

[A7]

I want Gh to win

[JasonC]

this bit cracks me up

“Make no mistake,” Stewart Kellar, intellectual property attorney and e-ttorney at law™ stated, “this case is not about Sony attempting to protect its intellectual property or otherwise seek bona fide relief from the court. Rather, it's an attempt from Sony to send a message that any individual using Sony hardware in a way Sony does not deem appropriate will result in harsh legal consequences from a multi-billion dollar company, irrespective of any legal basis or authority for such action.”

what they are suggesting is they are going to stage a bullying campaign against an individual which will not cost them not much but will hopefully (from their point of view) scare other potential hackers off and basically drown Geohot in legal fees - as they put it irrespective of any legal basis or authority for such action, so they don't even care if they win its all about the message

[kcsoft]

this bit cracks me up

“Make no mistake,” Stewart Kellar, intellectual property attorney and e-ttorney at law™ stated, “this case is not about Sony attempting to protect its intellectual property or otherwise seek bona fide relief from the court. Rather, it's an attempt from Sony to send a message that any individual using Sony hardware in a way Sony does not deem appropriate will result in harsh legal consequences from a multi-billion dollar company, irrespective of any legal basis or authority for such action.”

what they are suggesting is they are going to stage a bullying campaign against an individual which will not cost them not much but will hopefully (from their point of view) scare other potential hackers off and basically drown Geohot in legal fees - as they put it irrespective of any legal basis or authority for such action, so they don't even care if they win its all about the message

indeed...

as i said before sony is just a big bully. if anyone is to be held accountable it's IBM and it's supposed random key system it developed for sony. it would have worked had the keys used a proper randomisation instead of literally the number 4.

read on :

[AzzA]

Sony's "message" will be heard as... a global invitation to hack everything they make.

[kcsoft]

Sony's "message" will be heard as... a global invitation to hack everything they make.

absolutely!!!

the hacking community will see it as a challenge!

BTW: Waninkoko's CFW with backup loader and NTFS support comes out today at 12pm GMT!!! HORAYYYYY!!!

this is a fake but the info within is real :

[A7]

Did you guys see this?



LOL @ 'When does PsP2 release?' question.

[kcsoft]

Did you guys see this?



LOL @ 'When does PsP2 release?' question.

thats some pretty good viewing... good find A7MAD!

[A7]

PS3 hacker case delayed

The initial hearing of Sony's lawsuit against PS3 hacker George "Geohot" Hotz has been pushed back to an unspecified date.

According to GI.biz, it was delayed after San Francisco district court judge Susan Illston questioned if it was appropriate to hold the case in California as Hotz's breaching of PS3 security was carried out in New Jersey.

The move is a blow to Sony, whose lawyers argued that Hotz revealed the hack via California-hosted services Twitter and YouTube. It has also been alleged that Hotz received fan donations from California-based site PayPal.

But judge Illston said: "If having a PayPal account were enough, then there would be personal jurisdiction in this court over everybody, and that just can't be right. That would mean the entire universe is subject to my jurisdiction, and that's a really hard concept for me to accept."

Sony stepped up its fight over recent PS3 exploits by filing for a restraining order against Hotz, the hacking group fail0verflow and numerous other individuals last week.

Alleging that those involved had violated the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, the firm sought a restraining order asking that all PS3 circumvention tools be taken offline and related computers be impounded.

Responding to the charges, Hotz told BBC News: "I am a firm believer in digital rights. I would expect a company that prides itself on intellectual property to be well versed in the provisions of the law, so I am disappointed in Sony's current action."

[ Source: GamesIndustry.biz ]

Nice.

[kcsoft]

Score!!!!!!

[poison]

If sony was to win this. What would stop pc manufacturers locking their pcs to a certain operating system?

Buy a Dell and you have to run ubuntu
Buy a Acer and you have to run google

etc etc

I can not see how that line of arguement would not be used in court. After all the ps3 and 360 are just pcs that can play games, with their primary intention or focus on gaming.