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    Default The new invisible tomtoms

    I just received a new TomTom Go1000. It looked very promising in the box but then I connected it to my PC. It updated OK but it no longer appears as a drive on my PC like the previous models. I understand none of the new TomToms do. This of course prevents users from transferring personal "Favourites" data, car symbols, sounds, etc and particularly saving the contents of the disk since there is no longer a way to make a back-up of the device. Is there a way of making the invisible visible? What is TomTom hiding?



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    The reason why all of the new TomToms since September 2010 (such as the GO1000 range and all VIA models) do not show up as a drive on the computer is because they are using the Linux based file systems instead of FAT/FAT32.

    This wasn't a choice by TomTom to make it harder for us to copy or crack their devices. This was done because Microsoft successfully sued TomTom for using the Microsoft FAT and FAT32 file systems on a Linux platform, which Microsoft claimed it was an infringement.

    Therefore TomTom were forced to use another file system other that a Windows based one. TomToms run on Linux anyway, so the choice to use Linux file systems do make the devices run faster than ever before, as their file systems are generally more reliable and capable than the older FAT/FAT32. This is a positive for customers, but it's a negative for us who want to update our new TomToms by sharing files with each other, as we do on here and other forums.

    The only way to currently update the new TomToms is to use their program called "MyTomTom," although you have to pay for updating most things like new maps and safety cameras.

    So far, nobody has been successful in trying to "crack" this new system, or rather make it possible for us to update the new TomToms using Windows Explorer. One must wonder though... how hard can it really be??
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    Thanks lemonfish. That was a great reply - clear and to the point. I just wonder - if the new TomTom is now fully Linux-based, it should be visible in a Linux PC. No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omeomy View Post
    Thanks lemonfish. That was a great reply - clear and to the point. I just wonder - if the new TomTom is now fully Linux-based, it should be visible in a Linux PC. No?
    I wish it was that easy, omeomy. If that were the case, I'm sure everyone would be doing it by now. But even so, even if we could see our TomTom drive and its contents in Linux, how can we use programs made for Windows such as FastActivate to patch the map and navcore?
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    Give it time and I'm Sure there will be a Linux version of Fastactivate once they work out how to access the Linux Partition.

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    That's what we're all hoping for. But it's been over a year now - more like 2 years - and all the expert gurus haven't been able to crack these new models yet. I know I won't be holding my breath!
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    I wouldn't give up hope. Programs like WBFS can browse the Wii File System and it's non FAT. There must be some trick TT is doing on Windows to stop it reporting as an odd drive (which is what happens if it's a format Windows doesn't recognise). Someone smart will work it out.

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    Is there a list of current devices that are still on sale that can be updated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix View Post
    Is there a list of current devices that are still on sale that can be updated?
    I can give you a general list of which models to avoid. These ones below were all made from September 2010 onwards:

    GO 1000 series
    GO LIVE 800 series
    Start 20 series
    VIA models

    The complete list (at present) is at the end of this post.

    Some stores may sell old stock and usually at reduced prices. If you're lucky, you may still find models such as XL IQ routes, the GO 750 or 950 or older.

    Probably the best TomToms ever made (before the new uncrackable range) were the GO x20/x30/x40/x50 models. In other words, the models below:

    GO 520 - released in August 2007
    GO 720 - released in August 2007
    GO 920 - released in October 2007
    GO 530 - released in April 2008
    GO 730 - released in April 2008
    GO 930 - released in April 2008
    GO 540 LIVE - released in October 2008
    GO 740 LIVE - released in October 2008
    GO 940 LIVE - released in October 2008
    GO 550 LIVE - released in September 2009
    GO 750 LIVE - released in September 2009
    GO 950 LIVE - released in September 2009

    All of these have 64Mb RAM and come with an SD card slot, except for the the x40 and x50 LIVE models which have a microSD card slot. With any of these models you can install almost any navcore you like and because of the card slot, you're not limited to the internal memory. If you can find any of the above GO models on ebay, even if they're used, I strongly suggest you grab one while you can. You won't be disappointed. They all perform very smoothly.


    Below is a complete list of TomTom models to avoid which use the new file system and the new navcore v10:

    GO 1000
    GO 1005
    Via 120
    Via 125
    GO LIVE 800
    GO LIVE 825
    GO 7100
    GO 7150
    GO 7100 TRUCK
    GO 7150 TRUCK
    GO 9100
    GO 9150
    Start 20
    Start 25
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    Thanks for the list much appreciated. So I assume that the XL250 GPS would still be OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix View Post
    Thanks for the list much appreciated. So I assume that the XL250 GPS would still be OK?
    Correct. The XL250 is completely crackable
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    Hi,

    New here, wish I found this site before. Would have saved some money for sure !

    I have a Rider v2. I guess they are not of the new invisible breed?
    CHeers.

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    does anyone know where does the XL340 sit on the invisible list?

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    The XL340 is fine. It was made in August 2009, so it can still be cracked.

    The list of uncrackable models in blue at post #9 is up-to-date at present. If a model is not listed there, then it would be an older model that can be cracked.
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    Looks like the new TT is using Linux OS Ver.2, I can see the device but still cannot see its contents we might require some software as well

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    Wonder if the changes have turned people off the newer models?
    I had a one v3 until some scum ripped it out of my car.
    Purchased a via 160 and found out about the changes unit worked fine but deep within I was never happy.
    The calibration on the screen went wacko about 14 to 15 months after purchase so I rang tomtom and they were good enough to fix it under warranty but that was the last straw I went on eBay bought a go750 and I have control again so up on eBay goes the via160

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    Is there any news already for this problem? Is there a way to crack it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatser View Post
    Is there any news already for this problem? Is there a way to crack it?
    If there was any news or workaround, it would have already been posted.

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    There is a way to access these devices using the network enviroment, but you only get access to the stuff you can freely acces using the default IP and the non protected ares:









    There is also a NC10 EU map that seems to work on NC9 and these new devices but I have not tested it.
    My tests with the VIA got to a stand still as my Windows now refuses to fully access the network - the TT appears as an unknown network.
    I can still access it but using MyTT is rendered useless.
    The problem is the Hash/RSA protection of BL and NC related folders.
    You can patch a NC10/11 after "unpacking" and selecting the right file but you can't install the modifed NC because of the protection.
    Same for patching on the device:
    Even devices with active SD can't be patched as the actual NC files stay in the protected memory areas.
    Only if someone can provide a keygen that genereates a map activation without the need of patching other maps could be used.
    And for the patching part and normal keygens it would be neccessary to have a network driver (RNDIS) or program that can override the RSA protection or at least offer normal access to all parts of the internal memory.

    TT recently puplished all sources for the NC's incl, NC9 and 10, so it would be only a matter of some Linux freaks developing someting usefull.
    there were companies using Go720/730 with their own software as well as succesfull portations of the TT (Linux) NC to other devices but at this stage there seems to be a lack of good "hackers" willing to get going.
    It was told the Truck maps can't be activated, also that 32mb devices never could use LoquendoTTS and of course that a V9NC will never work on old devices.
    As we all know this was prooven to be wrong, not really by our usal hackers but by normal users with good Linux knowledge that disected the NC and offered new ways for the "old guys".
    So IMHO it is only a matter of time till we laugh about TT's that can't be modifed.
    But we have to be honest and realise that only active users with the right knowledge and interest will start with that or be able to make progress.
    Hardest part still is finding a way around the protection or to find the correct private key.
    Check the Wiki pages in regards to RSA and you'll understand
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    There is a way to access these devices using the network enviroment, but you only get access to the stuff you can freely acces using the default IP and the non protected ares:









    There is also a NC10 EU map that seems to work on NC9 and these new devices but I have not tested it.
    My tests with the VIA got to a stand still as my Windows now refuses to fully access the network - the TT appears as an unknown network.
    I can still access it but using MyTT is rendered useless.
    The problem is the Hash/RSA protection of BL and NC related folders.
    You can patch a NC10/11 after "unpacking" and selecting the right file but you can't install the modifed NC because of the protection.
    Same for patching on the device:
    Even devices with active SD can't be patched as the actual NC files stay in the protected memory areas.
    Only if someone can provide a keygen that genereates a map activation without the need of patching other maps could be used.
    And for the patching part and normal keygens it would be neccessary to have a network driver (RNDIS) or program that can override the RSA protection or at least offer normal access to all parts of the internal memory.

    TT recently puplished all sources for the NC's incl, NC9 and 10, so it would be only a matter of some Linux freaks developing someting usefull.
    there were companies using Go720/730 with their own software as well as succesfull portations of the TT (Linux) NC to other devices but at this stage there seems to be a lack of good "hackers" willing to get going.
    It was told the Truck maps can't be activated, also that 32mb devices never could use LoquendoTTS and of course that a V9NC will never work on old devices.
    As we all know this was prooven to be wrong, not really by our usal hackers but by normal users with good Linux knowledge that disected the NC and offered new ways for the "old guys".
    So IMHO it is only a matter of time till we laugh about TT's that can't be modifed.
    But we have to be honest and realise that only active users with the right knowledge and interest will start with that or be able to make progress.
    Hardest part still is finding a way around the protection or to find the correct private key.
    Check the Wiki pages in regards to RSA and you'll understand
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    ttmaps and Tomplayer on 16GB SDHC class6
    Password for all my files: downunder

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