Solution 16 all zones shorted

**hargy01** · 20-07-11, 08:15 PM

I have setup my first Solution 16 plus panel at home, when I go to Zone status all of my zones say EOL = Short.

When I set the alarm it says that all zones are open and I have to hit okay to force arming, I am assuming that this relates to the EOL = Short

I am wondering what I have done wrong to make all my zones shorted? Any help will be appreciated

**intelliGEORGE** · 20-07-11, 08:45 PM

Did you install EOL resistors in your devices (PIR's, Reed switches etc)?

**hargy01** · 20-07-11, 09:20 PM

I used EOL resistors in the alarm, didn't use them in the PIR's or reed switches.

Just used the orange ones that came with the system which where 3k3 I think. Only have 6 zones, am I able to get rid of the resistors?

**watchdog** · 20-07-11, 09:40 PM

Check that menu 340 is still set at 5
Check that the EOL are wired in series & not across the zone I/P

The EOL should be wired in the PIR not the panel
I think you'll find the "orange" ones are the 6k8
If you want to get rid of the resistors (not recommended) then menu 340 should be set to 0

**intelliGEORGE** · 20-07-11, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by watchdog

I think you'll find the "orange" ones are the 6k8

Are you sure? I thought they were 3K3 being the same color as the first band. I.e 3=Orange, 6=Blue

**secure** · 20-07-11, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by intelliGEORGE

Are you sure? I thought they were 3K3 being the same color as the first band. I.e 3=Orange, 6=Blue

George is correct

**watchdog** · 20-07-11, 11:56 PM

You may be right. My eyes aren't good enough to read them anymore. Orange could be red. Blue could be grey. And the ink they use nowdays leaves a lot to be desired. I regularly check them with a MM & separate them into two containers.

**hargy01** · 21-07-11, 11:03 AM

OK so last night I removed the eol resistors from the panel and set menu 340 to 0. The alarm works properly.

Why is not rcommended to install without EOL resistors?

If I move the resistors to the end device and set menu 340 back to 5, should that work?

**watchdog** · 21-07-11, 02:01 PM

With no EOL any short circuit fault condition will not present as a fault. The panel cannot distinguish between a s/c on the cabling or a short cct from the relay in the pir.
The resistor is normally placed in the pir & will provide supervision of the cabling integrity. As long as you wire them in the PIR correctly & change menu 340 to 5 then it will work.

**downunderdan** · 21-07-11, 03:56 PM

Hargy01,

I don't mean to discourage DIY or people trying to educate themselves. However the question you've asked demonstrates a lack of knowledge coupled with a failure to use Google when some things were pointed out.

The reason I raise this, is I'm guessing you aren't installing the system on a workbench in your shed, for cheap thrills. Rather, I expect you're installing it in your home, where you expect it to protect your belongings, and quite possibly your safety.

People here are usually happy to help those with genuine questions, or whose own research has led them up against a brick wall. However with respect, I don't think you're at that impasse yet and I believe you may be doing something with some significant negative consequences that you haven't fully considered.

**Uncle Kneebo** · 21-07-11, 04:08 PM

Dan your such a sourpuss at times

**alarmman** · 21-07-11, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Uncle Kneebo

Dan your such a sourpuss at times

A bit harsh. I don't always agree with everything Dan says, but in this case, when it comes to securing yourself and your property, he does have a point. Get a professional to do it properly.

**Drift** · 21-07-11, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by hargy01

Why is not rcommended to install without EOL resistors?

Tell you what. You set it up without EOL, then PM me your address along with times the system's going to be armed. The purpose of EOLs will soon become apparent.

**Uncle Kneebo** · 22-07-11, 12:24 PM

I was giggling as I typed it, its not all doom and gloom.
Yeah but said installer takes the risk putting it in. Better than his sparky mate doing it and ####ing it up then pointing fingers....
all about having a go

**NZ Alarm Tech** · 28-07-11, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by watchdog

You may be right. My eyes aren't good enough to read them anymore. Orange could be red. Blue could be grey. And the ink they use nowdays leaves a lot to be desired. I regularly check them with a MM & separate them into two containers.

The resistors supplied are solid orange for 3k3 and solid blue for 6k8, just like paradox use green for 1k.