looks like DMM are up to their old tricks again !.

[DUDE]

not happy with their recent legal action against satco the makers of the Vu receivers. now we have this.

http://www.reichholf.net/wp/2011/08/dear-pli-team-please-respect-the-license/

personally i find the timing rather suspicious and to me it looks like another attempt by DMM to scupper the market for all other boxes but their own.

[DUDE]

ok this is now going a step further.

http://www.pli-images.org/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=48&thread_id=19254

by the looks of it every image not running on a original dreambox must have the plugins this guy claims as his removed including amongst others the web interface.

this is absolute crap but we must obey his wishes if he has the licenses as he states, the main thing i will personally miss and the one that will make the biggest difference is the web interface. now i'm not claiming to understand even a quarter of this but i do believe that this will end up leaving us the satellite communtiy in a stronger position as teams work together to make their own alternatives of his plugins and side step his demands legally.

[LeroyPatrol]

I don't really understand this guys point. I would feel honoured to have Pli use a plugin of mine and even happier if they improved on it. What's he trying to achieve? Oh yes he's a Dream Multimedia puppet. hehe

He probably only wants a free Vu

Leroy

[irdeto2engineer]

Well the fact is that the Dreambox was designed to get around encryption systems and be used for satellite piracy, now some fella comes along and says you can't use his software. Pot calling kettle black wouldnt you say?

Bah Humbug is what the Chinese clone makers will say. Chinese pirate just about everything they can and nobody sues them.

Much ado about nothing.

DM are overpriced and had many issues... so along come new STB's that are cheaper and better quality.

Open source is just that...and everybody will take advantage of it.

[DUDE]

yeah but the Chinese cloners just clone the hardware they don't release images do they ?.

i am not denying all the hard work put into the development of the enigma 2 system but tens of thousands of man hours and countless improvements have been made by these other teams, improvements that have greatly benefited dream as well. This latest action by dream and their puppets will hurt the hobby especially if the web interface is to be removed.

all we can do for the moment is wait a few days and see how pli take things and go from there.

[DUDE]

As a example look towards the TM800, hardware wise this should have been a rite belter of a receiver but it has been drastically let down by seriously piss poor image support.

This has both seriously damaged the receiver it self in terms of sales and future development and TM as a whole, now if this license nonsense goes far enough we could be left with a seriously neutered excuse for a image where all the major plugins such as the web interface go the same way as the soft-cams did.

hopefully we get some talented guys who write their own versions of these affected plugins and get around this guys licenses that way. otherwise the satellite community as a whole is going to suffer badly as a result of his petty little demands.

[Zbee]

so a company decides to invest in hardware, take a risk, then others use that work and try to cash in, dmm started alot for people(and got screwed...but thats another story) the "hobbie" was destroyed years ago! alot of us just use the hardware to save on paying for extra boxes in our house. ffs this crap is the same as patent trolls, and anyone that says dmm products are over priced...pfft....out of the factory with a factory image they do what they are supposed to do, the ci slots allways work...thats the legal purpose, what happens afterwards is not thier problem. for those who remeber we all started with a "nokia".....i guess my point here is, enjoy because these days are now called the "gimmee generation"

[Zbee]

oh forgot to mention "triple dragon" here, one of the original software guys devd stuff for the nokia, and was dangled a carrot to go in that direction...boy was that a mistake....must say still have my reelbox 1100 and it still works hehehehe

[Zbee]

Well the fact is that the Dreambox was designed to get around encryption systems and be used for satellite piracy, now some fella comes along and says you can't use his software. Pot calling kettle black wouldnt you say?

Bah Humbug is what the Chinese clone makers will say. Chinese pirate just about everything they can and nobody sues them.

Much ado about nothing.

DM are overpriced and had many issues... so along come new STB's that are cheaper and better quality.

Open source is just that...and everybody will take advantage of it.

naah caused enuf probs

[DUDE]

so a company decides to invest in hardware, take a risk, then others use that work and try to cash in, dmm started alot for people(and got screwed...but thats another story) the "hobbie" was destroyed years ago! alot of us just use the hardware to save on paying for extra boxes in our house. ffs this crap is the same as patent trolls, and anyone that says dmm products are over priced...pfft....out of the factory with a factory image they do what they are supposed to do, the ci slots allways work...thats the legal purpose, what happens afterwards is not thier problem. for those who remeber we all started with a "nokia".....i guess my point here is, enjoy because these days are now called the "gimmee generation"

i dont disagree with you per say, i have been into this so called hobby for well over 23 years, personally i could give two figs about cardsharing that does not interest me one single bit. i do however value the ability to customize my receiver however i choose. if i wanted stock firmware i would stick with the service providers boxes. as for CI slots mine both work exactly as they should using a Vu+uno and the VIX image. same as my DM7020 using gemini.

[Zbee]

to that i say...."grasshoper thanks master"

[LeroyPatrol]

i dont disagree with you per say, i have been into this so called hobby for well over 23 years, personally i could give two figs about cardsharing that does not interest me one single bit. i do however value the ability to customize my receiver however i choose. if i wanted stock firmware i would stick with the service providers boxes. as for CI slots mine both work exactly as they should using a Vu+uno and the VIX image. same as my DM7020 using gemini.

This leads on to people being able to choose what receiver they want to use as well. The Austar provider box I have is a terrible quality composite output box with no PVR. So I choose to use a 3rd party receiver with PVR capability, HDMI bla bla bla.

The DMM development/manufacturing model is similar to others where they develop receivers and sell them with 'factory' firmware that works with CI slots for example. But then there is some other development kinda on the side that develops emu's and plugins etc and though they say they don't have an interest in this, they do!

Leroy

[irdeto2engineer]

The DMM development/manufacturing model is similar to others where they develop receivers and sell them with 'factory' firmware that works with CI slots for example. But then there is some other development kinda on the side that develops emu's and plugins etc and though they say they don't have an interest in this, they do!

Leroy

Exactly, these stb's would not sell if all they could do was put a card in the slot and not be used for CS around the house or around regions.

How many of you would have bought DM's or other open source boxes if they could not be used to CS?

I agree Leroy that being able to choose your own STB is a good thing. I have original sub cards in my STB as the provider allows this. But my boxes are not open source but they do have PVR and HDMI etc that the standard stb that you can get from the provider does not have.

But DM's and Opensource made all content providers sit up and take a look at the serious losses these boxes caused them and take measures to ensure they new cards cannot be used, and if they can to make changes just as Foxtel has done.

[DUDE]

this latest post on the pli forum basically says it all

None if this can attribute for your decision, unless all of a sudden (or maybe all along?) money has entered the equasion. And if that's the case, be a big boy, and admit it.

You've obviously met the wrong people.
I do know the guys (developers of e2) for a quite some time now. Well, even since before the DM7000S was available.
And during development of my stuff they often did help me out. So they

I never received a single cent vor anything I did.

And by the way.
Because of the way the other manufacturers act like, dream stopped adding new features for MONTHS now.
So actually we, as dreambox community, do suffer from their damn ignorance (they basically forced Dream to act the way they do now).

So it IS affecting MY dreambox.
It IS freaking hurting MY hobby (i don't get any GREAT new stuff, except i build it myself).
IT IS B******to say those guys behind VU+ and Co are "not guilty" about how the whole thing is fu**** up now.
THEY caused the situation we're in now!
If they decided to join the development of enigma2, our communities would have come together instead of drifting apart.

THATS THE REASON, nothing else.

It is soooo sad, really, we could have become an incredibly big community, across different products from different companies.
Neither Dream nor the communities fu***d it up, it was the newcomers, and only them.
And if you know the facts, you somehow cannot disagree on that.

Ok, I will not explain myself any time again, cos it's starting to aggravate.
I think I've made my points very very clear, several times. I think everything that has to be said has been said now.
It's sad if you still don't believe me but I can't do any more than this to convince you...

somehow you at least approched that i am really disappointed now, hope you're happy about that.

PS: littlesat, you're a GREAT guy, with an exceptional character! Thank you for your words.

[Vic]

He is a moron enough said

[irdeto2engineer]

He is a moron enough said

LATEST

The Article is gone, and the discussion will be continued in private, which it should have been from the very beginning.

[DUDE]

its pretty much over and done with now. pli will be keeping the plugins however they will all have the TPM checks re-instated so that they will only run on original dreambox models. the author publicly stated that he detests boxes such as the CT/XT and Vu+'s and he does not want his plugins including the web interface, working on any thing but a original dreambox.

[LeroyPatrol]

its pretty much over and done with now. pli will be keeping the plugins however they will all have the TPH checks re-instated so that they will only run on original dreambox models. the author publicly stated that he detests boxes such as the CT/XT and Vu+'s and he does not want his plugins including the web interface, working on any thing but a original dreambox.

Childish really.

Leroy

[DUDE]

Childish really.

Leroy

i could not agree more. at the end of the day this will hurt no one but dream multimedia.

[weirdo]

Vic's right, he's a moron.
How pathetic.