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    Yes not looking good for the future.

    I must add that i assembled my first hydrogen plate setup today and it works great for the first try.

    Pulled too amps and cooked a pc power supply though.
    Well she died in the name of science.

    Heaps of gas production for the first go, just needs some neutral plates to drop the current draw.

    I think more people need to be working on alternative fuel sources.

    The oil cycle is on its downward spiral.
    The oil price is on its upwards spiral.

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    Its an irony isn't it . The ones selling the crude oil are progressing from camels and donkeys to cars and we may have to start using horses , camels , feet .Were going back a 100 years if nothing is done.
    In the end what oil is left will be reserved for the military and food production.
    Hang off building more freeways they wont be needed.
    And stop this growth bull shit. Do you really want to see houses from say Albury to Melbourne. More is not better when natural resources are running out.
    Better start building 10's sq kms of solar collectors both thermal ( heat can be stored ) and electric.

    Had my bitch were dinosaur's if we don't change.

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    There is more too it then just peak oil, an interesting site to read




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    Diesel cost me $1.85/L yesterday.
    I wonder how many weeks it will take to pass the $2 a liter mark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernbay View Post
    Diesel cost me $1.85/L yesterday.
    I wonder how many weeks it will take to pass the $2 a liter mark?
    Not long China and India will suck the life out of what crude there is.

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    Yes China and India will become the worlds greatest polluters.

    All in the name of progress.

    I think we had it too good for some time though.

    I remember looking at the prices of fuel in Japan and comparing it to ours.
    In 98 to 2002 they were paying up to $1.50 a litre and here we are today crying about it.

    They also pay rego according to the capacity of the engine which is something i belive we need to think about.

    Look on the roads today at all of the small cars, i dont see anything wrong with it.
    We dont need to be driving big 6's in urban enviroments to get around.
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    " Look on the roads today at all of the small cars "

    Those small buzz boxes would be even better on LNG .

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    The writing is on the wall for sure. The time to make some really big leaps is now if not ten years ago. I believe that the Rudd hybrid/innovation plan should delve deeper than a $500 million sponsorship. I anticipate the bulk of which will go to the major motor manufacturers who have been buying up and sitting on technology for decades.
    I live in regional Australia and own a diesel 4WD, this is for my enjoyment and to tow our family caravan. Little public transport is available and even if it was the times probably wouldn't suit 2X12 shiftwork. Work is about 40km from home with the wife working 20km in the opposite direction making relocation ineffective.
    The kind of initiative I would like to see would be something like a shared registration/insurance scheme. Something that allows me to purchase a third approved type vehicle that shares my plates with my 4WD. One set of plates means only one vehicle can be on the road at one time. I can then save the environment by driving to work, dropping the kids off at school etc etc in a vehicle that uses heaps less fuel, tyres etc and still have the enjoyment of my 4WD and caravan and support those industries which rely on people like myself.
    Another would be to promote electric vehicle conversions. Petrol motors aren't very efficient where as electric motors are pretty good. The CSIRO has some pretty promising battery technology on the boil which hopefully doesn't get bought out and gagged by the automotive or oil industries. Re-use cars rather than make more. I remember seeing an article many years ago about a group that specialised in doing conversions to a particular model of Citroen in Canada. This was apparently cost effective when petrol was relatively cheap. Not the ultimate answer when you think where our electricity presently comes from but probably a decent step to help stretch things out a little longer. At the moment I beleive there are still hundreds of years of coal reserves not to mention that some may also be in a position to charge their vehicles from solar/wind technologies currently available.
    Overall I would like to see some new players on the scene to rattle the big industries from their $ focus and start delivering some real alternatives rather than try and milk the last few cents from the consumer. The government needs to be proactive rather than reactive in the measures it takes with regards to legislation, schemes and where and to whom it directs its financial assistance to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernbay View Post
    Diesel cost me $1.85/L yesterday.
    I wonder how many weeks it will take to pass the $2 a liter mark?
    Hello
    Maybe you should try your hand at making bio. I make about 100 litrs a fortnight to add to diesel - up to 50/50. Costs me about 38c litre to make. I use the appleseed method (in a hot water service) and it works great.
    Info here on Oz forum


    and here for more info


    If youve got time give it a go.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by pieces View Post
    " Look on the roads today at all of the small cars "

    Those small buzz boxes would be even better on LNG .

    Never heard of it.....

    Unless you mean CNG....

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    People are saying all sorts of stuff about peak oil, but here's some basics;

    There's only a limited amount of oil in the ground. We've been extracting it like crazy over the past 50+ years, and using more all the time.

    We now burn 5 barrels of oil for every 1 we find!

    54 of the top 64 oil producing countries have already peaked.

    In 1956 Hubbert predicted that USA would peak in 1970 and was laughed at by the oil industry. They peaked in 1971.

    There is no 'oil cop' checking on oil reserves. When a country (eg Saudi Arabia) says they have a certain amount of oil there's simply no way to check.

    In 1985 OPEC countries agreed to export oil according to their 'reserves'. Almost instantly every OPEC country raised their reserves despite generally not finding new fields.

    Even at $100+ a barrel oil exporters struggle to pump more oil.

    Our whole economy and way of life depends on cheap oil. Forget it, the politicians have let us believe it will be cheap forever.

    In a side discussion, ethanol is no fix at all and simply allows food to compete with fuel.

    Check the graph...


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    Some what impratical for me.
    Around here there are companies with mini tankers activly collecting used cooking oil directly & theres nothing left for the little bloke.

    However, we do ave a biodiesel wholesaler not far away from me at Rutherford. Only sells in bulk (BYO 44 gallon/200L drums). I may have to start buying in bulk....

    Quote Originally Posted by OzHobo View Post
    Hello
    Maybe you should try your hand at making bio. I make about 100 litrs a fortnight to add to diesel - up to 50/50. Costs me about 38c litre to make. I use the appleseed method (in a hot water service) and it works great.
    Info here on Oz forum


    and here for more info


    If youve got time give it a go.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by z80 View Post
    Never heard of it.....

    Unless you mean CNG....
    Hi Z
    LNG is the method used to condense and store gas for tanker ships it would give greater range if it could be adapted to car and trucks.
    Instead of sending it all over seas.

    CNG is available now for the fleet why are they dragging there feet.

    We have to get our vehicles off petrol. LPG is no better as its tied to petrol prices.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OzHobo View Post
    Hello
    Maybe you should try your hand at making bio. I make about 100 litrs a fortnight to add to diesel - up to 50/50. Costs me about 38c litre to make. I use the appleseed method (in a hot water service) and it works great.
    Info here on Oz forum


    and here for more info


    If youve got time give it a go.
    Cheers
    Pretty stupid I think . No disrespect meant but its not a practical solution.
    Heat to 120 C ?? How much energy does this take
    Second link gives time needed - you would not have any time left to go out driving !
    Better build a steam boiler and a small steam engine in your car and burn the wood yourself. That electricity has a massive real cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by tytower View Post
    Better build a steam boiler and a small steam engine in your car and burn the wood yourself.
    Im sure that would be really great for the enviroment.

    Everyone burning wood....i wonder how long that fuel would last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
    Im sure that would be really great for the enviroment.

    Everyone burning wood....i wonder how long that fuel would last.
    Well we have a lot of it being wasted every day in tips . We also have more coal than anyone else in the world so that would be next. ( and will be !)

    Now if your concern is for the environment then stop using 240V because almost all of this is produced from coal and coal produces more polluting gases than wood burning . Think it through

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    Best way to avoid shortages of everything is to not have as many babies.

    Halve emmissions, water shortages, queues at the bank in one generation.


    All we need for effective population control is a way to stop women from demanding sex/babies all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by z80 View Post
    Best way to avoid shortages of everything is to not have as many babies.............

    This is of course the ultimate remedy - not bloody 'baby bonus' bullshit, and tax breaks (only) for 'working families'.

    The shit is only beginning to hit the fan.

    Jim Morrison had the answer - "I wanna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames"...luckily, I have pretty much done that. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tytower View Post
    Think it through
    Ummmmm yep thought about it.

    Use up this, use up that, eventualy things start running out.

    Zed was right, we are producing too many offspring for the planet to support.

    Cut down births and start getting serious about alternative energies like, wind, tidal, wave and solar.

    Hey Zed, do women really demand sex/babies from you all the time?
    I thought it was us blokes chasing it that caused the problems.

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