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    Default Queensland to drop feed in tariffs to 8c kw/h after July 9



    R.I.P. New solar installs in Queensland. At 8c per kw/h a system would never be able to pay for itself.



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    Unless everyone in every situation installs panels which is impossible, we still need 'Generators', be they Atomic, Hydro,Gas,Coal or Geo Thermal and they cost money to build,run and maintain 24/7.
    Idiots think they are 'Saving the Planet' by turning off their lights for ONE HOUR once a year, do they really think the 'Generators' shut down during this time?
    Solar and Wind can only ever be supplementary supplies and this whole solar exercise was badly thought out and poorly implemented, driven by the 'Greenies' who seem to Hell Bent on 'Saving the Planet by Destroying the Population'.
    I am not and never will be a supporter of any 'Conservative/Liberal,NCP Government but I see even Labor would have to consider ways to reign in the unsupportable Tarriff Feed In Program at some future date and I see this as the first step that will eventualy remove the feed back completely everywhere.
    No business can pay 60 cents for a product and sell it back for 20 cents, thats totaly ridiculous economics.
    I stand unequivicably behind everything I say , I just dont ever remember saying it !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon_s1942 View Post
    No business can pay 60 cents for a product and sell it back for 20 cents, thats totaly ridiculous economics.
    But that could have been our carbon tax, in a more socially acceptable manner. As a spinoff, it drives industry and install companies, simply because people want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learjet View Post


    R.I.P. New solar installs in Queensland. At 8c per kw/h a system would never be able to pay for itself.
    You're forgetting that the 8cpkw/h is for generation surplus. As an example, lets assume your use is 15kw/h per day and your generation is 16kw/h per day with your standard grid power costing you 20cpkw/h. You receive a benifit of $3.00 per day for your standard grid power and a further 8c per day for your input. So the payoff isn't as quick but it's still a viable option.

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    Lol Un Do caused a green boom by mistake,his BAU brown economy mates will be mad



    Queensland Premier Campbell Newman must have one hell of a solar hangover today.

    Following his announcement to cut the 44 cent net feed-in tariff, he provided the industry and solar consumers with a window of opportunity to sign up before the scheme was switched to 8 cents – and sign up they did.

    Energex reported this morning that 75,000 applications were received in the 13 days between the 26th of June and the 9th of July.

    Broadly speaking, this is equivalent to around 12 applications per minute and 150MW of new capacity (at an average system size of 2kW).

    Assuming standard eight hour working days, Premier Newman effectively added 1.4MW of generation capacity per hour, to the sunshine state's energy generation capacity.

    Show me any other generation source that could achieve that, and I’ll eat my solar-powered hat.

    Energex also noted however, that 31,000 (or 62MW) of those applications were received in a single day.

    That is an astonishing 1.07 applications per SECOND or 7.8MW per hour on the final day.

    Of course, it has to be processed and installed and there is up to one year to do that. But my guess is that to maximise economies of scale Queensland installers will gear up and veraciously install the majority of this new capacity within six months or so.

    Put in a state context, he just avoided the need for roughly 3.9TWh of coal fired energy over the next 20 years. At a conservative energy cost of $0.20/kWh, Queensland electricity consumers just started down the road to savings of approximately $39 million per year.

    (Inadvertently) nice work, Premier Newman.

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    Here's the latest instalment from the Coal-alition
    Qld govt to force PV owners to sell all their electricity to retailers
    The Queensland Competition Authority (QCA), in a recently released issues paper, has suggested that solar PV owners only be paid the wholesale market value of electricity for all generation their systems produce.

    Through the introduction of "gross metering" owners of PV systems would have to export all their generation to the grid, receiving around 8 cents per kilowatt-hour.
    They could not use the generation from their systems to meet their own consumption needs thereby avoiding purchasing electricity from their electricity retailer, which is charged at a price of around 20 to 30 cents per kilowatt-hour.
    “This is like telling someone they aren’t allowed to eat the fruit and vegetables grown in their own backyard and must sell it to the local Coles or Woolworths where they’ll then have to buy it back at a substantial mark-up. This will kill the solar PV sector.”

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    I like QLD, but there is seriously something in the water.

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    You can knock off your political bullshit dishtracked or I will remove you from the thread. First and last warning.

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    Banned from thread, that was easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drift View Post
    I like QLD, but there is seriously something in the water.
    The existing PV home installations, apart from getting ludicriously high (IMO) feed-in tarrifs, were also taking the cream off the top during the afternoon daylight hours peak. The electricity industry whispered sweet nothings in Newman's ear to redress the situation.

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    Hi.

    If it was set. that we could use our solar to cover our individual usage.
    Or individual solars to their capacity

    Then any excess supplied to grid was credited to us. at an equitable figure. EQUAL to what it cost the suppliers to supply theirs down the cable to you.

    We pay service\handling charges as it is.

    IE. Self. We average 26.6kw per day. Discounting pool heaters.
    I'm trying to cover that in panel capacity for as long as I can per day.

    Bad days. Less. Good days more.
    Hopefully equalising out.

    I don't see why the gov't. Anybody. should be expected to pay for OUR individual choice of an alternate power supply. There is one already in place. Different for OFF grid areas.

    We do this to suit ourselves basically.For whatever reason.
    Maybe it will help the country's grid supply. Maybe.
    But. It's still OUR choice. Made voluntarily. no coersion..

    I've had panels since late 70's. on yachts and caravans.
    MY choice. Didn't\don't expect anybody to buy them for me Then or now.
    (it would be nice!)

    Whoops Smoko time. madam calling

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    Quote Originally Posted by macka17 View Post
    Hi.

    If it was set. that we could use our solar to cover our individual usage.
    Or individual solars to their capacity

    Then any excess supplied to grid was credited to us. at an equitable figure. EQUAL to what it cost the suppliers to supply theirs down the cable to you.

    We pay servicehandling charges as it is.

    IE. Self. We average 26.6kw per day. Discounting pool heaters.
    I'm trying to cover that in panel capacity for as long as I can per day.

    Bad days. Less. Good days more.
    Hopefully equalising out.

    I don't see why the gov't. Anybody. should be expected to pay for OUR individual choice of an alternate power supply. There is one already in place. Different for OFF grid areas.

    We do this to suit ourselves basically.For whatever reason.
    Maybe it will help the country's grid supply. Maybe.
    But. It's still OUR choice. Made voluntarily. no coersion..

    I've had panels since late 70's. on yachts and caravans.
    MY choice. Didn'tdon't expect anybody to buy them for me Then or now.
    (it would be nice!)

    Whoops Smoko time. madam calling

    Macka

    Tut Tut. Rushing.

    Should have read " If it was "NET".

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    You know what I reckon they will do next. The department of revenue raising will require all solar panel owners to be licensed. For this license there will be a yearly fee....

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    [quote:]Sorry, you’ve replaced your halogen downlights with LEDs and installed an energy-efficient fridge that’s reduced the amount of revenue the Queensland Government-owned network business can earn. We demand you reinstall the halogen downlights and buy a massive two door fridge with ice dispenser effective immediately."[/quote]
    NOOOO, we want you to keep your LED's and energy efficient fridge and wind generator/Solar HWS and power panels but we're going to levy charges to make up the shortfall in the cost of running the Power Stations because your not using enough.
    By doing this we can now extend the life of the current generators and delay building any new ones, a real WIN/WIN situation for us.
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    the 6KW system I'm just about to get installed has the option of batteries instead of feed in. 1 battery pack will run our house for more than a week, if they bring in 8c/KW I know which way I'll be going....

    "Yes you heard me, I want you disconnect me now"
    When I explained to the guy what avatar I wanted, that wasn't what I meant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwacelect View Post
    the 6KW system I'm just about to get installed has the option of batteries instead of feed in. 1 battery pack will run our house for more than a week, if they bring in 8c/KW I know which way I'll be going....
    What size battery pack is that? Sounds too good to be true (or do you have a really small cubby house? lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by weirdo View Post
    What size battery pack is that? Sounds too good to be true (or do you have a really small cubby house? lol)
    thats with no-one home during the day and only running fridge freezer and a few led down lights at night, not a/c and 5 plasmas all days with cloudy skies

    didnt actually ask what size (Ahr) it was but the battery charge controller can be "fully expandable, but needs 100Ahr at minimum"
    When I explained to the guy what avatar I wanted, that wasn't what I meant!

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    Good to see they are offering this option.

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    Default Queensland is surely the queen of Rooftop Solar installation

    With massive solar rebates in Queensland, there has been a boom i n the estimated rooftop solar installations. The attractive feed in tariffs have surely helped in boosting the solar development in Queensland.
    Here is an article which throws more light on the Solar policies in Queensland:'


    Hope this comes in handy for u too!!

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