Are these trees shown in pics obstructing Asiasat3s signals???

[weirdo]

Like appsattv suggested try satfinder apps on smartphones
Having had both I actually found my S3 much better than the Iphone at this
Are you sure you've got the correct elevation?
The dish just appears to be looking a bit too low for AS3 at our latitude (but it is hard to judge from a photo)
With a bit of logic you should be able to find out yourself reasonably clearly whether the trees are blocking your signal or not.
Once you got your dish aimed to the correct azimuth and elevation as per instructions, stand behind the dish in line with the center of the dish and line that up with the lnb ,this is not easy as there is plenty of steel from the mount in the way but you should be able to pinpoint the spot in the sky where the dish is focused on
Easy enough to see if the focal point is obscured or not
Then from that focal line move about 1200 mm (or 4 foot in the old money) in all directions towards the edge of the dish and look at the same angle towards the sat
This way you should have a reasonably fair idea if it's partly obscured or not

PS I would never judge whether something is plumb with fence palings

[thebest937]

I am going to try that Satfinder app which seems to give me as idea where the satellite is and if blocking the signal.

So, that will decide whether I choose or go for any other option which doesn't look like there is?

But yeah will try tommorow and let you guys know. But thanks to all for helping out.

[toyboy11]

PS I would never judge whether something is plumb with fence palings

Like wise me also.

[beer4life]

PS I would never judge whether something is plumb with fence palings

That remains to be clarified.
The dish appears to be parallel to side fence. Pointing ~270⁰ instead of ~292⁰.
Should be pointing at/around corner post.
Going by the shadows, those trees are quite tall.
The mast seems to be supported in a bed of Scoria or similar. Possibly only 30 cm deep.
I would not trust the integrity of fixed or motorised installations for that very reason.
The elevation to the trees was 27.55 in 2009. Required 29.1.
Going further back will not help, just get more foliage in line.

I don't expect a reply from the pundits or spammers rejecting my rationale, rather clarification from the OP.

[weirdo]

That remains to be clarified.

Fence palings are nailed on 99% of the time by eye, not with a level.
As already mentioned by others here, the pole not being perfectly plumb is a moot point anyway since it's fixed mounted.

I don't expect a reply from the pundits or spammers rejecting my rationale, rather clarification from the OP.

don't give a shit what you expect really

[beer4life]

Step 7: Beginning from 1 end, nail palings (see box, below). Use a level to ensure first paling is plumb before you continue. A pneumatic nail gun will make the job very simple – just ensure you wear safety gear. If you’re right-handed, work from right-hand side of fence to the left. This way, you can use the gun in your right hand and feed palings from left. Every 3 palings or so, check palings are plumb.

[toyboy11]

Step 7: Beginning from 1 end, nail palings (see box, below). Use a level to ensure first paling is plumb before you continue. A pneumatic nail gun will make the job very simple – just ensure you wear safety gear. If you’re right-handed, work from right-hand side of fence to the left. This way, you can use the gun in your right hand and feed palings from left. Every 3 palings or so, check palings are plumb.

Forget the fence, that's got sfa to do with it and as Leroy said for a non motorised dish the pole dosen't have to be exactly Plumb

[gordon_s1942]

I use a simple 'L' shapped plastic $6 fence post leveler from Bunnings when I want anything plumb.
It has magnets for attatching to metal and I replaced the crap rubber band with a 12 inch long piece of 1/4 inch wide elastic for those non magnetic posts or odd shapes.
It was recently used by my son and his mate to plumb 100 mm dia X 7 metre long Galv pipes for the reconstruction of a shed.
I disagree that not bothering to ensure a mast/pole isnt plumb to begin with as it could come back to bite you if later you decide to motorise the dish so why not make it plumb from the start?
Sometimes fence palings may be set by eye because being plumb may actualy look wrong and when there isnt a fence of any sort in sight, even a wire ne with Star Pickets, a fence post leveler is mighty handy.

[beer4life]

Forget the fence, that's got sfa to do with it and as Leroy said for a non motorised dish the pole dosen't have to be exactly Plumb

Granted, but it does need to be rigid, let the OP answer my concerns instead of bleating.

[thebest937]

I am going to move the pole to the left and in increasing the length to double so, the dish structure stays at the top of roof. I have checked with dishpointer and the satellite actually will give clear view if I move it to the left towards house and raising the height will makes easy also.

So, I need one thing from you guys if you can give me the dimension of the pole I need? I am not good in getting the right dimensions.

I need the diameter/size/width of pole and the total length from bottom to top so, the dish whole net structure stays above the roof.

Thanks and please respond ASAP. I am getting it tommorow.

Thanks all

[mtv]

... So, I need one thing from you guys if you can give me the dimension of the pole I need? I am not good in getting the right dimensions.

I need the diameter/size/width of pole and the total length from bottom to top so, the dish whole net structure stays above the roof.

Sorry mate... the batteries in the crystal ball are flat.... you'll need to measure them yourself.

Seriously.... nobody but someone there (eg: you) can measure it.

There are many different dish mounting sizes, so you need to match it to yours........ assuming your existing pole is the correct size, use the same diameter.

If you don't have a caliper, the easiest method to measure the diameter of your pole is with the dish off it, just a ruler across the widest point of the end of the pole (outer edges) is the outer diameter size.

As for length, you will have to measure the height of your roof and allow suffficient clearance.

If the pole will be freestanding (eg: not bolted to the house) allow 1-1.5 metres extra pole length underground.

Did you use dishpointer in conjunction with a phone app.... or just the website?

As shown in my pic from the dishpointer website viewed in Google Earth, it suggests the signal path will still be directly into that tree on the right.

Once again, it's impossible to know for certain without being there.

The azimuth of the dish in your pic looks incorrect for AS3s.

[thebest937]

Thanks mtv, I don't have caliper but will work out. No , the dish maybe not on right azimuth as I was moving it all the way and couldn't find the beam or quality and pic was taken when it was not sitting at right direction.
I have used apps on iphone to see the AS3 bird and it was still right through the trees and once I move this to the left as you suggested right in the begining and raising it more will definitely clear the view.

Thanks again

[mtv]

Good luck.

Let's know how you get on.

[beer4life]

Standard lengths for gal pipe is 6 Metre.
Should be fine for your application. You only need the thin wall mast type.

Get yourself a cloth tailor's tape.
Measure the circumference of the pipe.
Multiply that by 7/22, will give the diameter.

[thebest937]

One thing also before I actually go and buy a pole. These poles are usually very heavy and specially my case when I am going to buy let say standard height is 2.5m pole and the one I will be getting say around 4.5m , that is going to be very heavy pole to carry and install. Is there any other types of pole exit which are light and can carry these satellite dishes so, I can ask these guys to get me the one?

[nbound]

Any metalyard will cut it to whatever desired length you want. You will need roof racks and a long vehicle (or a truck), you may want to check your state's legislation on carrying items which extend pass the end of your vehicle.


As for different types of pole, no, this is it. Beleive it or not they arent that heavy (1 man can reasonably easily carry a single length) and not too hard to install as long as you think about your movements.

[beer4life]

There are probably others.

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You can probably get a clamp same place.
You need;
At least 1.5M above roof.
About 2.5M to ground.
about 1.0M into solid ground.
That's 5.0M, the rest would be a bonus for clearance of foliage.
It looks like a vacant block, so a little pruning may be called for.

[thebest937]

Great info thanks.
I have taken some pics when I was running that apps and again I am very confused whether I should go ahead or not with doing all that work of buying the long pole and extra work.
Have a look at the pics , and please tell me if I can make it to get the AS3 signal as it shows beam is lying through the tree barnches.

Thanks and waiting for response...

[mtv]

This is pretty much what I expected from the beginning, but now seeing a full pic of the tree, it just confirms it.

According to your app pics, not a chance, unfortunately.

This confirms my signal path plot in post #18.

Realistically, I think you only have three choices.

1. Unfortunately, give up any hope of getting those sats while that tree is there.

2. Have the tree removed

3. Move to another location

[beer4life]

Great info thanks.
I have taken some pics when I was running that apps and again I am very confused whether I should go ahead or not with doing all that work of buying the long pole and extra work.
Have a look at the pics , and please tell me if I can make it to get the AS3 signal as it shows beam is lying through the tree barnches.

Thanks and waiting for response...

In my opinion, that is a safety hazard issue requiring immediate attention.
Possible actions:
Remove including the stump;
Notify the owners of that block;
Notify Council;
Do it yourself, but leave all there, as otherwise they could claim theft.
They would be naive to take you to Court for clearing a hazard.