Reply With QuoteIf you don't get fibre to the node, you'd darn well better not be charged for it!
If Turnbull butchers NBN to copper in the home you should just be charged for ADSL
If Turnbull butchers NBN to copper in the home you should just be charged for 25MB/sec ADSL connection only that's all it is.
also with fibre your phone will only work with a battery so you may have to replace your phones.
Totally unresearched just my thoughts anyone know the right answers?
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If you don't get fibre to the node, you'd darn well better not be charged for it!
Your phones will still work as normal just as they do with existing VoIP services. Nothing will change on that front.
FIBRE TO THE PREMISES!!!!! it's the only way to goOriginally Posted by lsemmens
it's going to be the only way to fly, files are getting bigger, not smaller.
fibre to the home is future proof, the optic fibre carries all light of any freq, digital vectoring of light freq can carry an infinite amount of data.
trying to use copper connected to fibre will reduce the capable speed of transmission to what copper can handle, about C = B * log2 (1 + S/N)
"the Shannon-Hartley Theorem" which takes into account the distance of the copper the signal/niose ratio and twisted pair copper while not bad (eg cat5 is supposed to be good for 100Mbps), but fibre on the other hand is only limited by the technology connected to it, once in the ground can be easily upgraded by changeing the connections at both ends.
Last edited by iwacelect; 09-04-13 at 07:22 PM.
When I explained to the guy what avatar I wanted, that wasn't what I meant!
hows 26Tbps, down 1 fibre
and from dec 15 2011, 186Gbps both ways, thats just 1.2 years ago
so how fast can we be doing stuff in the next 5 years
I know the arguement is "what do you need THAT much data for???", but in a few years whats to say a small robot could turn up at your local hospital, or even your home and perform life saving surgery guided by the best surgeon available in the world,
or,
"sorry miss, little johnnies screwed because there's not enough bandwidth, someone nearby must be downloading a video"
Last edited by iwacelect; 09-04-13 at 07:37 PM.
When I explained to the guy what avatar I wanted, that wasn't what I meant!
We don't need the NBN like we did not need the Snowy River Scheme,railway thru Australia and the pipe line in the WA.
One day we will grow up.
therealyuriboy (10-04-13)
Fibre to the home in plenty of homes around the planet,Norway for example is already running 400 Mbit/s Down and Up....But once again No No Sniff a Vote Abbott has decreed that the vast majority of Australians can be happy with second best....Thanks Tonnnnnne.
iwacelect (10-04-13)
It's not just that it's second best it's that it will be run over a decaying copper network that in many cases has gone beyond end of life, it has in fact failed (no spare pairs, service being provided by split pairs). Even Telstra admits that it spends $850 million a year patching it up. That figure isn't going down either, despite Telstra's considerable cost reduction programmes over the years. It's sheer lunacy to try to shove 20+ MHz down (un)twisted pairs that are only just managing to carry 3kHz of voice.
Last edited by SpankedHam; 10-04-13 at 07:56 AM.
As SpankedHam said, only it is a billion per year and Telstra wont give it to them for nothing because it is in great need of repair and they want to off load it, ask your friendly Telstra man, can't wait till my 30m speed drops back to 25m
Politicans, hate them
There is a fine line between "Hobby" and "Madness"
10 years of $850 million (and rising) / year maintenance on top of the Libs $24 billion FTTN / HFC / fibre mash up and you might have well just built a FTTP network in the first place. After 10 years, it's all 'money in the bank' on a fibre network but on a FTTN system you get to keep shelling out big bikkies, year after year after year. I can't help but wonder how exactly that sits with a party that has self-assigned the title of 'economically responsible'.
marty 17 (10-04-13)
As I understand the Fibre to home is still an option for households if they choose to go that way.
Yes, it means you will fund the part of installation from your pocket if you want it. Some people might decide the 25Mb is still OK for them so no need spending commonwealth money on their setup.
So it really sits with an economically responsible party.
Labor's NBN plan is to spend all the money for everyone no matter you need it or not and then introduce another tax to cover the waste - don't you worry about that.
admin (10-04-13)
Build FTTP, spending what mere organisations such as Access Economics and Citibank have all said is around $40 billion, and be done with it - or - Build FTTN for a completely uncosted and unscrutinised $24 billion and then spend a billion a year indefinitely on patching up the failed copper network.
'economically responsible'. Yeah, and the moon is made of green cheese too.
marty 17 (10-04-13)
Of course if Labor hadnt borrowed and given away 250 billion dollars, we could have just paid for it. You know, like when we had 60 billion dollars in funds and no debt....which was only back in 2007 ! 5-6 years of economic vandalism means our great grandchildren will be paying for the NBN.
"economically responsible"......yeah.
I cant wait to see how much the unions are getting out of the NBN.
I don't want to start another political discussion but can't help it.
Anything what is delivered by a well known senator is as trustworthy as the moon made out of green cheese.
Seems to me there's only two choices and neither of them are pleasant:
- Crappy NBN
- Carbon Tax
“There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary – and those who don’t”
I would hate it if a robots rocks up at my house to perform life saving surgery, I would want to be in a hospital.
If robots carry out all the work what are the people going to do? Taxpayer funded robots so more taxpayers without employment?
Data is growing because of video thus people want bigger data plans.
Charge more for these bigger data plans to fund the NBN.
Battlers would be lucky to have more than 1 computer in the house & could use other things more than an NBN
With golden staff nd untreatable infections etc in hospitals knowabit 1 you may be happy to have surgery at home
There is a fine line between "Hobby" and "Madness"
With golden staff nd untreatable infections etc in hospitals knowabit 1 you may be happy to have surgery at home
I reckon telehealth is 1 of the biggest loads of bs being told & have questions which somebody might answer.
Is the hospital going to get a truck & deliver the equipment to my house to simulate a hospital operating room? I think not
Post op when I press the button is the government going to give me 1 on 1 nursing at home? I think not
All I see when I hear / read about remote control stuff is jobs going off shore due to cheaper costs, eg. remote operating room at home will be done by a doctor in a cheaper pay rate country
I am all for hooking up hospitals, medical treatment clinics to fibre by I think the rest is bs
No i think you misintepret Tele Health. I think it applies to specialist surgery etc if you are in for example in Alice Springs and the specialist is in Melbourne (or for cost reasons Bangkock)
There is a fine line between "Hobby" and "Madness"
mandc (11-04-13)
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