ADT, or whoever the alarm monitoring company happens to be, have no idea that their Customer is using another service to send signals to them. My service is transparent to them as I send signals to their PSTN alarm receivers.Originally Posted by itscrowtime
How can I provide a cablers license when ADT (or whoever) have done the cabling?
Not to my Customers. They save hundreds up front and avoid increased monthly costs. Guess who they turn to when they are out of contract?
If you'd bother to take the time and read the NBN Checklist I have produced for consumers warning them about people like you in the security industry, then you'd realize that all of my Customers have a clear understanding of what they get.
My first name is Steve by the way. Strange how I'm the only person in this thread that does not cower behind a screen name. Mmmm.... wonder why that is?
Yes but in your words previously, you tell them how to wire a mode 3 socket even though it is illegal for them to do so.
And I bet a monitoring station would probably care if this was happening behind the scenes, as soon as the break and enter happens and signals dont make it to the other end the client will try to blame the monitoring station and the monitoring station appears to have no idea of your involvment.
Does that not seem untoward to you
Why don't you provide a link to your checklist.
I would of thought if you cared about your customers you would be warning them about yourself rather than the licenced, complying & experienced security people that you like to bag on here.
Seems you're wholly reliant on third party products and infrastructure. Interesting business model. Tell me, what do you propose to do when something falls over? Given you've mentioned above that the the monitoring business need not even know a consumer is routing their CID through your service, what do you expect the response of the monitoring and insurance companies will be?
.... Monitoring per device???? Oh you're simply too much champ. And I love this little nuggetlooks kinda interesting too...Self adhesive pads make installation a breeze
When you install a wired security system, there's all kinds of potential for damaging the decor in your home. The wireless sensors that ship with cPad have sticky pads so that you can easily peel back the protective paper and fit each sensor in your ideal location. No need to worry about how to run a cable to a tricky location or what damage you might cause in the process. There's no need to open up the sensors as the pre-connected battery lasts for 18 months or more depending on movement activity.
Seems reliable....Local Time Event
8/6/2013 148 PM Burglary Alarm 002
8/4/2013 748 AM Failed to detect DTMF from 74793009
8/4/2013 7
8/4/2013 7:21:55 AM Failed to detect DTMF from 74793009
8/4/2013 7:21:55 AM 16474793009 hung up
8/4/2013 7:21:48 AM Call from 16474793009 (TORONTO ON) on phone number 17772426899
8/4/2013 7:21:48 AM 16474793009 cancelled call
8/4/2013 7:21:47 AM Call from 16474793009 (TORONTO ON) on phone number 17772426899
8/3/2013 11:57:44 AM Burglary Alarm 002
8/2/2013 938 AM Failed to detect DTMF from 612021612
8/2/2013 9
8/2/2013 9
7/25/2013 8:51:03 AM Failed to detect DTMF from 62406574
7/25/2013 8:51:03 AM 12462406574 hung up
7/25/2013 8:50:55 AM Call from 12462406574 () on phone number 441234923067
7/25/2013 8:50:44 AM Failed to detect DTMF from 62406574
7/25/2013 8:50:44 AM 12462406574 hung up
7/25/2013 8:50:18 AM Call from 12462406574 (POTS Phone BD) on phone number 17772491839
7/25/2013 8:49:47 AM 12462406574 hung up
7/25/2013 8:49:31 AM Call from 12462406574 () on phone number 441234923067
Last edited by Drift; 08-08-13 at 12:28 AM.
Erm... it's called The Cloud. Don't worry, it might even catch on in the Australian security industry one day (or not). You clowns are so far behind it's not funny. You have absolutely no idea what is going on in advanced security markets around the world.
If you have done your homework in the industry you would know that being a registered cabler would make you responsible for all the telecommunications cabling if you are the last person, so regardless who installed it, you should be filling out a TCA1 form or at least the required writing on your invoices.
Is your device being connected or has the potential to be connected to the network? All of my installs are provided with either the TCA1 or the correct wording on my invoice.
Dodge, duck, dive, weave. Catch you out with something you can't answer again champ? Clearly, your way forward is to lambaste the incumbents in the markets to which you're trying to sell and in the process, insulting the intelligence of the consumers. Perhaps you'd gain a little more credibility if you answered the questions those in the industry pose which have all been quite valid.
I ask again.
1) You're reliant on third party infrastructure over which you have no control, and you use third party products. What redundancy measures do you have in place to ensure continued communications of client equipment in the event of failure of the third party equipment or any part of the communications path?
2) What guarantees do your clients have of service continuity. You're clearly a budget provider and would be making use of low rent sever space, if a cheaper option with 'less frills IE: redundancies' became available, could your clients be sure their service remains uncompromised?
3) Should there be a missed signal during a genuine event and a client just so happens to be using your service without the knowledge of their monitoring provider or insurance company, what is your response to the inevitable questions likely to be.
4) You're clearly interested in providing information to consumers as to their options other than the Australian security industry, do you fully inform them about the cons of using your service? (I'm guessing not given your websites are full of the same anecdotal drivel that abounds in your posts)
Last edited by Drift; 08-08-13 at 12:24 AM.
Is that right sport?
OK - I'm pretty much done with you clowns. It's been fun, but I have work to do.
For anyone in the Security Industry that does not need to hide behind an Austech name and is genuinely interested in exploring new technologies, I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have in the Alarm Monitoring Group on LinkedIn.
My apologies Dan ;-)
Didn't think you'd answer.....Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Guess this answers the question about your regard for standards. That's the trouble with standards though. They're open to interpretation.
We were recently asked about the compliance of our products for the UK market and our response was as follows:
We do not have any products as such…. just solutions. One of our solutions uses an ‘off the shelf’ Cisco router and our compliance statement is as follows:
EN50131 / EN50136 Clause 4.5 – Alarm transmission equipment and clause 4.24 Transmission networks
Comparison of prEN50136-1-5 clause 5 with the notes to these two definitions identify that equipment that is part of the ATS and located at the supervised premises (eg an IP modem or router) may be considered to be part of the transmission network and is therefore NOT subject to the requirements of EN50136-2-1. Hence, all of the equipment used for our Digicom Upgrades are also NOT subject to the requirements of EN50131-1. See also clause 5.2.
Based on my experience over in the USA, I have found that my ‘equipment-less’ solution is far more popular as there is no up-front cost to the Customer and the installer does not need visit the site. The existing digicom uses whatever equipment the Customer has in place for voice service. That could be PSTN, VoIP or a GSM terminal.
For reasons you are well aware of, DTMF tones get corrupted on the way to our software based receiver. We repair the signals and forward them on to the relevant Alarm Receiving Center.
As there is no equipment to grade, I would imagine that a UK based system would retain it’s existing grade.
Last edited by Drift; 08-08-13 at 12:56 AM.
Maybe you should put these posts on your website, you can answer our questions on there rather than Linkedin
Agreed.. I think your time trolling and blatantly promoting your business here is done.
Adro (08-08-13)
@ipalarms after reading some of your info on your website (namely the Cpad and wireless gear) I'm finding it hard to stop laughing. The bit about sending the gear back to you for a battery change just cracks me up. You say your customers shouldn't use licenced security people whilst you don't even trust them to change a battery in their detection devices.
I also find it interesting that you want to be paid for provisioning a sim card when your dead against telcos and things that start with "G".
Just so you know, there is a little bit more to security than being a self appointed ego driven armchair expert. I would be further prepared to go out on a limb and say that you even make "consultants" look good.
"For reasons you are well aware of, DTMF tones get corrupted on the way to our software based receiver. We repair the signals and forward them on to the relevant Alarm Receiving Center."
So you device corupts the signal, then you have to repair it before it goes to a monitoring centre. It just get better the more I read.
Maybe you should rename your company to "Claytons ipAlarms" the alarms you have whilst not haveing an alarm.
Last edited by bss904; 08-08-13 at 01:42 AM. Reason: edited
So he can write a document to explain to someone how wire a mode 3 socket but cant write a document on how to replace a battery in a PIR. Hmmmm
Sorry, why was IPAlarms banned?
That stinks.
itscrowtime (08-08-13),romaqld (08-08-13)
If you look at his posts, basically all he's been doing is using these forums to promote his business, whilst continually insulting Australian industry professionals and inciting arguments.
His business has its own website, he can post it all there.
I've lifted the ban but this thread remains closed due to it nearly all being OT.
Adro (08-08-13)
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