Alarm system and video intercom

[Godzilla]

Yep, same place but ive been looking at buying in Greenvale, Roxburgh Heights or Diamond Creek for the last 9 months, i cannot find something that fits our requirements and price at the same time.

Have also considered building or buying something built in Craigiburn or Riddles hill.

Try to get the wiring done before the plaster is up, but i think its still possible to run cables on the sides that have brickwork, should still be a cavity there.

You can also get a zoned alarm, family can be sleeping upstairs while the alarm is on downstairs.

Good luck with it all, nice big shopping center there too but i dont know how long some of those tenants will survive there, ive spoken to a few shop owners and they are suffering, its a bit of a ghost town, not much business to be had.

We have been lucky, house has a alarm, CCTV and we have a Siberian Husky that lets me know someone is on our property before they even get to the front door.

Those thieves who broke into the house over the road had been watching me, they got in about 5 minutes after i left to do a run to a supplier, my garage door is open day and night while im home as i tend to be in there working, i can see straight to their house from where im sitting now while typing this, they knew the home owner was not there and they knew roughly what time i did my run and just sat and waited till i shut the door and drove off in the ute.

The home owner had a old power driven clock on his garage wall, once they killed the power the clock stopped, time was roughly a few minutes after i got into the ute to do my run.

I have now adjusted one of my cameras up a little to cover over the road too for the neighbors, pity it was not set like this earlier......

I have an idea who it is, someone new in the area that ive seen walk past my place at 1-2-3 in the morning while im pulling a late nighter.

Seeing as your near my place, keep an eye out for a guy, stocky, late teens to mid 20's, very short blond hair, quite often walks around barefoot (so you cannot hear him) and has a small black pit bull with a studded collar and off its leash, sometimes he is walking about with a back pack, looks like he does not work or go to school as i also see him around during the day.

I saw him today going to the homestead shops which is near your current house.

The other night he went past around midnight, i waited a minute and tried to follow him but lost him in the dark as he was too far ahead, i want to catch him reaching for somebodies car door handle at night......

[downunderdan]

As from internet reading my understanding is that our security industry wasn't ready for NBN, and they aren't quick enough to embrace new technologies.

Correct. Too many installers are continuing to use phoneline based monitoring despite the fact this will at some stage stop working as the NBN spreads its tentacles. In any case, phoneline monitoring has always been trivially defeated with a pair of scissors, by cutting the phoneline.

It doesn't make sense to pay $20 per month to keep a line active on NBN which is basically a VoIP service at the end of the day.

Incorrect.

What you're talking about is the 'UNI-V' port which is a way of getting the NBN box to emulate a traditional phoneline. It's a nod to legacy devices like fax machines. However that service will not necessarily work with your alarm anyway and you will still get stung call charges.

What you need is a pure IP-based monitoring system which connects to your Internet (e.g. ADSL or the UNI-D data port of the NBN) and/or the GPRS mobile network. Much more robust than phoneline and can avoid the need to even have one.

[kiwitech]

That same pair of scissors will also kill your NBN connection.

[orica]

So it's better to go with gsm module?

[orica]

i was going through research process again, and found this interesting article which compares different brand and models:






Interestingly, Paradox MG5050 with GSM module PCS250, and IP module IP150 and fancy touchscreen 5" keypad TM50 seems like can do the job well too.

all pirs, and other stuff would be hard wired.

Middys is selling them too, which should eliminate overseas or ebay sellers.



what do you guys think about this system?

[kiwitech]

Good product works well. Middys is to expensive try Sectronics who are a retail reseller. CSD are the local agent but I don't think they will sell to you, unless you hold a security licence.

[orica]

Yeah, noticed there are no prices on Middys and CSD websites. will checkout Sectronics for a quote for complete kit.

Thanks.

[downunderdan]

That same pair of scissors will also kill your NBN connection.

Absolutely.

That's why I argue that a dual-path wired and wireless connection is the most suitable at the moment.

In theory, it would be possible for a single wired connection to be used with a high poll-rate, such that you'd know if the line was cut. Of course in theory, socialism works too. Reality is different.

In practice the typical Aussie Internet connection will go up and down occasionally and you need to consider how or if you will respond to poll fails. They could mean your alarm is being sabotaged but they could also mean the ISP is doing work, your router is kaput, your power has gone out to the router etc.

Actual experiences vary. I've seen Internet connections that have uptime measured in years. The situation will certainly improve over time. It has to.

So it's better to go with gsm module?

They are also susceptible to jamming and can be costly for an end-user who would need to procure a SIM as well as arrange monitoring. You should look instead a combination wired/wireless monitoring platform such as Emizon, Permaconn etc. which covers both bases. The network charges are included with the monitoring plan. You can go for a fairly modest 'poll rate' as there's sufficient redundancy built-in, provided the system is also well installed, panel located well and protected properly.

[orica]

As I mentioned before alarm would be installed by licensed professional. Also I believe in quality parts and that's why getting advise from you guys here to put together a best possible solution.

I'm not particular to spend $500 extra in beginning to put together a better system instead of going with a yumcha setup and keep ripping apart every year, providing no actual security to premises.

I was used to have plenty of spare time to spend on hobby experiments but due to work demands it's no longer possible.


I've narrowed down to following systems:

1. Hills reliance 128
2. Bosch 144
3. Paradox 5050

Bosch is good, but doesn't provide flexibility to IP and self monitoring which is a big negative for me.

Both hills reliance 128 and paradox 5050 are looking promising to achieve what I'm after.

Price wise both are pretty much on par, though paradox is relatively expensive.

Paradox from their website seems like offers more modules if required later on. IP 150 seems better IP solution compare to ComNav from hills.

[kiwitech]

The pricing between the products should be similar. Paradox to the trade is generally cheaper you are correct they have more modules also which means more features. The 5050 is a hybrid panel with built in wireless receiver you are putting in a hardwired system so do not need this panel, they have plenty more to choose from. The IP150 is far more flexible than Comnav, they also have their own GPRS\GSM modem that works very well and is far less expensive than other brands.
I would suggest you contact a local installer that uses Paradox as they are not the easiest system to program if you have not done one before. As you are in the northern suburbs of Melbourne ring CSD Tullamarine and ask them if they could recommend some installers. Get the installers to quote the system for you it will probably cost you the same installed as to buy it through a third party.

[orica]

My dad passed away last night overseas. Currently at Bangkok airport in stupid 10 hours transit. Hope will get to his funeral in time

Would talk to CSD on return hopefully sometime late next week.

[kiwitech]

Sorry about your Dad. I hope you get to where you are going in time good luck.

[Godzilla]

My Condolences Orica.

[orica]

back after a long time to my thread. we decided to go with builder to install alarm system, and they will be installing hills 8 zones with pet friendly pirs.

we opted to stick with rough-in cabling for intercom from builder. our builder has informed me details of cabling done for intercom, and here are details:

Cabling is done basically with Aiphone 2 wire cable (for Aiphone) intercom. its a green colour cable.
here is link to cable used:



Option 1: Aiphone JO series with 2 monitors.



Option 2: Kocom with 2 monitors.



Option 3: Kenwei




between these two intercom which one should be the best way to go? want flush mount, and as bricks just started, brickie told me to give him back box by 2nd Jan if i want him to put it in place nicely.

that means i need to buy this before 2nd Jan now. I'm not too sure if Kocom intercom will work on this cable or not.

need help from all you experts here, thanks heaps in advance.

cheers

[secure]

I think the Aiphone is a better quality unit.

[watchdog]

Aiphone stuff is top of the heap but there is one thing you need to consider carefully. I have seen HEAPS of the old Deltacom intercoms that were installed as a flush mount and when they failed & were replaced everything had got a lot smaller. You are left with a hole in the wall that the new unit wont cover. I usually get a stainless steel plate made up to fix the problem. I have seen some door stations that are only 25mm x 75mm. Just a thought............

[orica]

sounds like Aiphone is the way to go.

can someone recommend a place in Melbourne to buy on a good price? thanks.

i only know RadioParts in west Melbourne.

[orica]

Aiphone stuff is top of the heap but there is one thing you need to consider carefully. I have seen HEAPS of the old Deltacom intercoms that were installed as a flush mount and when they failed & were replaced everything had got a lot smaller. You are left with a hole in the wall that the new unit wont cover. I usually get a stainless steel plate made up to fix the problem. I have seen some door stations that are only 25mm x 75mm. Just a thought............

thanks for the tip. that's where i would prefer to buy something that would last longer. i reckon it is more like a personal taste, just love the look of flush mount compare to surface mount.

Aiphone has really good repute. i was reading some review where parts are still available for 15-20 years old models.

but for backup plan, i can use house number plate which is in brush metal finish to cover door station hole

[downunderdan]

i would prefer to buy something that would last longer.

As you should.

Aiphone is the way to go. I am yet to see any European or South-East Asian competing product which can withstand Australian climate or for which spares are available.

At least once a week we receive an enquiry from someone whose door station (the unit on the street) has stopped working. More often than not, we need to replace it plus all of the room stations (the indoor units). Then you have dramas as the sizes of currently available gear are different (even from the same manufacturer). If it's just paint, you're lucky. If it was flush mounted the end result looks pretty ordinary.

When it's Aiphone it's a simple swap over every time. You can replace your iPhone every two years. An intercom needs to last 10-20 years.

[orica]

Thanks guys for your replies and advice, much appreciate that.

I'm going to buy Aiphone, totally inclined towards JO series due to its larger 7" monitors. Only drawback is limited viewing angle of door station.

Is it possible to use wide angle JK-DVF (170' angle) outdoor station with JO (7") internal monitors?