eaglem (18-01-15),VroomVroom (18-01-15)
Every day we are hearing stories of people doing the disappearing act and turning up in the Middle East because of them being 'Radicalised'.
I wonder how long does it take to be 'Radicalised', one, ten or 50 sessions or is that these people are already so inclined to embark on this endeavor and this is just the excuse they need to go?
The best way I can explain my doubts about this claim is like saying when if person joins the Military and when a War breaks out, they get a rude shock as they didnt expect to have to go and fight in it.
Also, if these 'Radicalastion' sessions are so persuading, how come the whole damn lot dont pack up and go?
No, I think those who have gone were already of a mindframe to participate and while some have found it not as they first thought, those remaining are in their element of plain bastardry and revel in the brutatilty of it all.
I stand unequivicably behind everything I say , I just dont ever remember saying it !!
eaglem (18-01-15),VroomVroom (18-01-15)
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Because its a load of lefto greenie babble Gordon. These people are a combination of the stupid, the gullible, and the down right psychopathic that have an excuse to behave like murderous thugs and bullies. That's all, nothing more.
The more some can rationalise and excuse their reasons, the less anyone will have to do about it. The way to eliminate these pigs is the same as any disease. Contain, isolate and then eradicate. We have to make decisions.....real decisions.
Those who go don't come back. Ever. That isolates them. Troops and machines from the civilised nations seal the areas they control off. That contains them. Once isolated and contained then a decision has to be made on eradication. There are options with this. ANYONE who sympathises with them and is caught doing so should be made to join them.
Sounds a tad extreme, but nothing else will work IMO. As long as we dither and allow some of our so called allies to help them, then we just slide down the slope. Lets face it, bombing them into the stone age would leave them in a utopian state if their propaganda is to be believed.
The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.
Al Bundy (17-01-15),eaglem (18-01-15),Landytrack (18-01-15),lsemmens (17-01-15)
We dont always see eye to eye on some matters but with the exception of the words 'Lefto Greenie' used in your comment, we are definitely in agreement about this.
I have had the same difficulty in accepting claims made by certain sections who claim to have become 'Born Again Christians' and when caught and being made to pay for their crimes offer this up as mitigation to lesson their sentence.
I stand unequivicably behind everything I say , I just dont ever remember saying it !!
If any criminal is truly "born again" then, my Bible tells me that they must submit to the authorities for whatever punishment that is appropriate for their crimes. I think enf is just about right. If you choose to put yourself outside the mores of rational society, then be prepared to accept just retribution.
Remember what the goal of IS militants and other Islamists around the world really is: The largest "religious cleansing" in the history of mankind.
I see radicalism as a political attitude that seeks fundamental changes in actual controlling society. It were radicals who advocated universal suffrage, a systematic disempowerment of the Church and the republic as the form of government. Yes, radicals pursue their goals uncompromising and often in opposition to the dominant order. But they do not kill. In order to enforce their goals, they demonstrate, throw occasionally fire bombs, set fire to cars, and deliver up fighting with the police. But they do not kill.
People who murder to enforce their goals are extremists.
50 years ago also I was a radical who went on the road to fight for change in society. And I'm still proud of it! My thinking today is still radically.
All speak of the Islamists, the Western youngsters who follow their doctrin. They are treated as imbecile. We must not forget that there has been extreme excesses in Christianity. And they are there to this day. Christian fundamentalists use the Bible to justify their own misanthropy. In the center of Christian fundamentalism "faith (not only in the field of religion, but also in the fields of geography, history and biology) to the absolute inerrancy of the Bible in all areas" is. Representatives see the foundations of the faith as something given, which would not be discovered or developed through rational discussion led, but had known this and to proclaim. Nobody treats these Christian radicalists as imbecile. I wonder why not?
BTW:
IS's and other Islamist groups mistake is very glaring. If their religion (Islam) cannot get along with other cultures and ideas, then that is the biggest mistake in it. If religion doesn't evolve and accept change it'll go the way of the dinosaur. This is already happening with Islam as practiced by them.
Last edited by jwoegerbauer; 17-01-15 at 07:36 PM.
Landytrack (17-01-15)
Hmm, the islamists want to get rid of everything no-muslim.
The muslims could not care less about the problem.
How about we simply remove of muslims and muslim related cultures from the planet and enjoy a peacful life?
Ahh, wait, you are right we already had that during WW2 and it did not work out of any party involved, it only left a lot of scras that we suffer from even 60 years have passed....
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The global public opinion now hates Muslims and does not distinguish between an extremist Muslim and a peaceful Muslim. The so-called Western world -which is in most part Christianized - is openly against Islam and Muslims. So also some AUSTECH members, as their comments here show, what for me is a madness.
"It is Muslims who are the main victims of fanaticism, fundamentalism and intolerance," French president Hollande said 15.1.2015 in a speech at the Arab World Institute in Paris.
While often seen as a radical or extreme religion, Muslims consider Islam to be the middle road. Muslims do not live life with complete disregard for God or religious matters, but nor do they neglect the world to devote themselves solely to worship and prayer. Muslims strike a balance by fulfilling the obligations of and enjoying this life, while always mindful of their duties to Allah and to others.
Not the Islam is to blame, but those who exploit it are to blame: people who need a higher legitimacy - for their heinous acts and believe to find it in the religion.
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It is just damn hard to be objective on the topic if the "good" muslims give a damn about the actions of the "bad" muslims.
Sure, every now and then we here that some leaders speak against terrorism and that no member of terroists gorups would be welcom in a mosque - but what do they do to stop it??
I stand to what I said: As long as the general muslim simply accept terrorism, bashing women and selling kids I give a damn about the difference.
Unless the so called muslim leaders start acting against the misuse if islam I give the same verdict as most judges: Guilty until proven innocent...
It is no phobia, just a matter of acceptance.
I can accept that there is a difference between radicals and good people but not that there is a difference between good muslims and radical islamists as long the muslim gives a damn about it.
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Having grown up in a house hold that was very one way biased (Croatian,Catholic), i saw in the community and in our own home as a child how radicalization is formed.
Parents speaking about "back home" and injustices, people of the same background reinforcing those stories is how the other side is slowly instilled into the youth as being the bad side.
Then the Balkan war broke out, lots of Balkan Australians went back to fight to protect the future of relatives and to even the score of past injustice (or protect from present injustice)
I remember back then i was 24-25, my father asked me if i was going back to fight for the mother land (jokingly testing me), i answered to him a line i heard from him when i was a kid, "its better to be a live chicken than a dead one", he just smiled and nodded.
Fast forward a few years and i ended up marrying the mortal enemy (Bosnian Serb), everything is fine, whats in my blood is hereditary, my thoughts and beliefs are mine, however i live in Australia and those past ethic ideals dont work here.
Id say most of these who go back to fight currently were brought up in a similar way, radicalization begins at home and in their ethnic community amongst like minded others who suffered some sort of injustice, it could even be at Mosques, just as i saw at our family Catholic church as a child.
bob_m_54 (19-01-15),Landytrack (18-01-15),Seymour Butts (18-01-15)
Godzilla doesnt say and I am not asking if he was born here or came here as a child but that is the difference I see between 'other's' and Muslims.
My understanding is that you are a Muslim first and always, the place of your Birth is not important.
All my Maternal side of my family came from England in 1923 and while I have numerous relatives there (many unknown) Australia is the place of my Birth and thats where my loyalties lie.
My Father was born here as I believe his father was but I was born here and to me thats what counts.
Too old now but if I considered it necessary, I too may have gone to War in support of England (WW1-WW2) but with the underlying thought that what I did was primarily for Australia, not the UK.
BTW, I am an out of date Methodist who has sat in the Village Catholic church and attended the annual 'Blessing of the Graves' conducted by a Catholic Priest in the Village cemetery.
I stand unequivicably behind everything I say , I just dont ever remember saying it !!
The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.
Born and bred here Gordon, in fact ive never visited my fathers birth country, but i will go in the next year or 2 to visit my grandparents grave sites.
Id say families who have come over from overseas and had children here in Australia are the worst, they push the ways of back home onto the children more so than families that brought the children over, they desperately try to make a connection into the children with the parents birth place, those kids that were born overseas already have that connection.
being of a Polish/Russian background and being first gen born Ozzie, I was lucky that it was never forced on us kids about the old country. My parents came out after the war as displaced persons and never really wanted anything except a safe place for us kids. My parents and brother and sister went back to see some rellies about 20yrs ago but I never went. I was born here and this is my country.
I Married a nice Aussie girl and never had the old country rammed down our throats, however, we did get the respect your elders and the father is the boss thing, plus a few other things but eastern Europe was in turmoil after the war and most people didn't know what to expect so the attitude of many was just stat again but somewhere different.
In the displaced people back then were many types of people and religions, but most were willing to start again without the problems of carrying old animosities against a fellow group - both ethnic or religious.
Nowadays the governments are too bloody soft and give into the minority groups, why, who knows but I think western world views governed by places like the UN have a lot to do with it.
If you don't like it here in Australia pack up the shit that you came here with and phuck off to where you came from and let us be. If you want to stay then obey the rules for this country
Last edited by efab; 18-01-15 at 07:39 PM.
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