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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    How old is that article ?
    Date is clearly printed at the top of the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post


    So how does a company continue to operate when no one buys the product ?
    that remains to be seen
    do you really think that anyone who was considering last week to buy a VW is going to change their mind because of this?
    wait and see

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    Three things:
    - I think the majority of users won't give much of a damn about over-regulated emission ratings (apparently 35 times tougher than here) as long as the car performs well. There will only be the greedy ppl who will try to get something out of lawsuits.
    - If VW can't manage to design a super clean diesel, how about the others? Would like to see that test done on all manufacturers and I think VW should demand it.
    One thing I know, diesel makes a lot of soot. It can't just disappear into nothing.
    - Germany won't just let their major industry collapse. Too much depends on it. They will find solutions, and also the stock market loves bargains.

    I will bet 1AU$ they will survive somehow and I can't remember ever betting on anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weirdo View Post
    that remains to be seen
    do you really think that anyone who was considering last week to buy a VW is going to change their mind because of this?
    wait and see
    Exactly right.
    If anything, the Marketing Department have a hell of a job on their hands to turn all this around.
    Personally, i can already see the tongue in check ad for America (if they even make one) being based on giving real Americans what they really want, even if they had to cheat to get it in
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    Hands up everyone that bought their last car based on the co2 numbers, yeah thought so

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    It would be interesting to know how the "Software Defeat" works
    What needed to be plugged in to activate it etc.

    Car software is pretty amazing these days, what can be logged is endless.
    But a lot of it is over looked as a whole, when you just are looking for specifics.
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    I'm guessing, but I suggest that the method that they would do for the "everyday checks" would be to plug something into the OBDII connector, software would then detect a test and switch to "safe" mode. The only way it could be defeated would be to actually use real time test equipment which takes a lot more time and effort, something, I suspect, most government noddies would not care about. Those who did do the tests would, in most cases, I suspect not worry too much about it, as long as they achieve the desired effect. The end user may end up paying the tester for fixing the "fault" which was there from factory and not notice the performance hit anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    It would be interesting to know how the "Software Defeat" works
    What needed to be plugged in to activate it etc.
    "Volkswagen’s malfeasance is troubling in part because of its sophistication. The company had to write software that would recognize when the car was undergoing an emissions test, a potentially complex algorithm that might incorporate everything from differences in front and rear wheel speeds to variations in steering inputs and even barometric pressure."

    Very complex and very deliberate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weirdo View Post
    that remains to be seen
    do you really think that anyone who was considering last week to buy a VW is going to change their mind because of this?
    wait and see
    If its diesel, yes.

    But a lot of it is going to depend on how much media the story gets.

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    Porsche would be a good new name for VW

    GERMAN car maker Porsche SE says it is buying 1.5 per cent stake of ordinary shares in Volkswagen AG from Suzuki.

    THE purchase raises Porsche's share of Volkswagen AG's ordinary shares to 52.2 per cent, and its stake in VW's subscribed capital to 32.4 per cent.

    The move comes days after Volkswagen was hit by a scandal over allegedly rigged US emissions tests in diesel vehicles.
    Porsche said in a statement on Saturday that it considers the purchase "as a strong commitment to its core investment and emphasises its role as an anchor shareholder" in Volkswagen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jok11n View Post
    Hands up everyone that bought their last car based on the co2 numbers, yeah thought so
    Hands up how many have based their purchase of a car due to the excellent fuel mileage and frugal running cost?

    Once they get the emissions down to where they should be good bye super efficient diesel, they will simply produce vehicles that are another diesel guzzler.

    To reduce nitrogen levels, they need to reduce combustion temps by decompressing the engine which in turn will retard the timing resulting in a loss of power and efficiency......

    Ill bet it will bring VW down to its knees, possibly to the level Sanity thinks it will.

    You wont see more people buying the cars because of this but the extra load of the implications may be enough to pull the plug on the brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
    Once they get the emissions down to where they should be good bye super efficient diesel, they will simply produce vehicles that are another diesel guzzler.
    Yep, this is a major point in the VW product and how its looked at. Half of the company's sales in Europe - VW's biggest market - are for diesel cars.

    VW is looked upon as a bit of a God in Europe with their revolutionary diesel engines that provide power, torque and economy and will putting out some of the lowest emissions in the world without using Adblue. They have won countless Green awards and grants for their diesel motors. Now its all turned out to be a big lie.

    When caught out, they lied to the EPA for 8 months over this before coming clean and admitting that they implemented a software program to fool emission testers because their engines were putting out 40 times the allowed amount of emissions.

    Now if you #### with the EPA, the EPA will #### with you. We are likely to see some of the biggest enviromental fines in history over this.

    Realistically, whether someone in Australian would buy a VW doesn't matter....we are a tiny market. What matters is will Europeans keep buying them.

    I think a lot of people forget a very powerful force.....the Green Movement.

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    VW are removing lots of diesel ads, pages, videos, promotions etc. I suppose they could realistically get sued for some of claims in them.

    The page below has been pulled down in the last couple of days, not surprisingly



    In latest news, Switzerland has banned a lot of VW cars, basically halting 180,000 cars that are yet to be sold or registered.


    I read yesterday that the US, Canada and Sweden have made similar moves in recent days.

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    Just curious.....has anyone else noticed Mazda's fuel figures in the last couple of years ? You compare their cars with other comparable makes and models and Mazda's use a heap less fuel for the same power. I see it in every review Carsguide does on a friday in the Herald Sun.

    No doubt they will all be looked at.

    Edit : Jesus, news flows at a fast rate on this topic. In Australia, the ACCC has launched an investigation.

    It is believed 50,000 plus Australian vehicles are affected and it is likely the ACCC will rule that these vehicles are not fit for the use they were sold for. It is likely they will make a ruling, if not, law firms are lining up for class action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
    Hands up how many have based their purchase of a car due to the excellent fuel mileage?
    Bahahah, yet that is an area EVERY car manufacturer is dishonest in, apart from some rare exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post

    Edit : Jesus, news flows at a fast rate on this topic. In Australia, the ACCC has launched an investigation.

    It is believed 50,000 plus Australian vehicles are affected and it is likely the ACCC will rule that these vehicles are not fit for the use they were sold for. It is likely they will make a ruling, if not, law firms are lining up for class action.
    Why not, most other countries have.
    All in for their bit of the pie.

    Even India is watching closely, and that place is out of control with emissions
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    Get caught willingly altering your vehicle to be producing harmful tail pipe gasses here and its a up to 10K EPA fine, all you need to do is decat your vehicle or alter the ECU and your at the top end of the $ scale.

    If they work on that basis and only that part of the EPA problem here could you imagine the bill VW will be hit with just in Aus?

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    Hopefully I can get a refund on my shit box amaroks. .......

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    the german govt are now looking at changing the testing regime to make it more difficult to cheat . if thats the case all VWs will fail and will cost so much to repair that it will not be viable.
    good riddance to VW junk anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    Bahahah, yet that is an area EVERY car manufacturer is dishonest in, apart from some rare exceptions.
    When you pay a $4K+ premium on a product advertised to save fuel while being clean and you base your choice on how many Km you get to a tank, you expect to get around that claim, may be 5-10 % here there is OK however VW's emissions test was 40 times over, well and truly far from 5 to 10 %.

    In this case its clearly open robbery and deceit from the manufacturer who lied to customers on mileage to the tank, Governments on meeting emissions standards set to protect peoples health and clean air, pulling in Millions of dollars in government grants for research and development and winning them based on clear lies and winning awards based on fraudulent claims.

    Lets not forget one basic thing, their emission levels are not a little over, not even a whopping double over, THEY ARE 40 TIMES OVER!

    Its not a joke, not a laughing matter, this is clear known fraud on a large scale by a manufacturer that has serious implications to people lives and health, not to mention fraudulently deceiving people and receiving grants based on lies.

    If you find that breaking emissions standards is a minor issue, move to china where they have a high rate of health issues due to this, even they are cracking down on emissions standards due to the health implications.

    They are stuffed as far as i can see.
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