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    Quote Originally Posted by pheggie View Post
    9HD launches 5 AM this Thursday
    This 'change' where ever it happens, is it in MPEG 2 or 4 as until I read some comments in the link pheggie posted, I wasnt aware this was proposed.

    If it is MPEG4, that explains why the simulcast arrangement as I couldn't see the reason for it until now.

    It also makes me wonder just how many have complained about not being able to see Racing.Com due to their barely 3 year old TV's tuners not able to receive an MPEG 4 signal??
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon_s1942 View Post
    This 'change' where ever it happens, is it in MPEG 2 or 4 as until I read some comments in the link pheggie posted, I wasnt aware this was proposed.

    If it is MPEG4, that explains why the simulcast arrangement as I couldn't see the reason for it until now.

    It also makes me wonder just how many have complained about not being able to see Racing.Com due to their barely 3 year old TV's tuners not able to receive an MPEG 4 signal??

    90 – 9HD
    91 – Channel 9
    92 – 9Gem
    93 – 9Go!
    94 – 9Life
    95 – Extra

    After you re-tune your TV you will have Channel 90 available if you have a HD-enabled TV. If you don’t receive Channel 90 after you re-tune then you don’t have an Mpeg 4 decoder and will not be able to receive 9HD. Viewers without an HD-enabled television will still be able to watch Channel Nine in standard definition on Channel 9/91.

    It clearly states Ch90 will be in Mpeg4 at the link pheggie posted.

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    Here is some 9HD stream stats
    File: Name : C:\TV Scheduler Pro\capture\(2015-11-26 06-01) test 9HD Melbourne.ts
    Size : 0.111 GB
    Duration : 0049.19
    Mux type : TS Stream
    TS mux rate : 4.271 Mbps
    Video: Encoding : H.264
    VideoStreamID : x201
    Frame rate : 25.00 fps
    Encoding size : 1920 x 1080
    Aspect ratio : 16:9
    Header bit rate : 20.000 Mbps
    VBV buffer : 380 KBytes
    Profile : High/4.0
    Progressive : Interlaced
    Chroma : 4:2:0
    Entropy mode : CABAC
    Bit rate : 4.636 Mbps
    Audio Stream: 1 (Primary) Codec : AC3
    Format : AC3 stream
    Channels : 5.1
    Language : eng
    PID : x28A
    PES Stream Id : xBD
    Bit rate : 448 Kbps
    Sampling rate : 48000
    Sample size : 16 bits
    Subtitle: 1-1 Type : DVB Teletext
    PID : 0x241
    Language : eng
    Page : 801

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    Just did a rescan, no changes. After doing some searching it looks like Win Network and Poxtel miss out on the channel changes for the moment. Typical.



    Viewers in regional Australia and those that access Nine via Foxtel’s satellite service look certain to miss out on the new services with negotiations between the broadcasters not progressing.

    A spokesperson for Foxtel has confirmed to DeciderTV a deal is now in place that will see NineHD, 9LIFE and the revamped 9GEM added to the Foxtel Cable service on November 26th, but an agreement for carriage on the Foxtel satellite service has not progressed.
    WIN is in negotiations with Nine to extend is current affiliate deal, which is due to expire at the end of this year. The Australian recently reported Nine is seeking an increase in payment to more than 50% of WIN’s advertising revenue, a significant increase from the current deal, which is believed to be at 38%. If WIN fails to form an agreement, its likely all of Nine’s programming would move across to the Southern Cross Network which is currently considering merger possibilities with Nine.

    With the ongoing uncertainty regarding its future, WIN Television is reluctant to invest in converting its primary channels to HD, or the addition of 9Life until the affiliate deal is settled. The negotiations between WIN and Nine have a deadline of December 31.

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    NBN Television (North eastern NSW) has also missed out on any changes to the channel line up as yet .....


    (except for the watermark change to 9Gem & 9Go!)
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    Melb Metro

    9HD Melbourne (1080i)
    Channel 9 Melbourne (576i)
    9Gem (576i)
    9Go! (576i)
    9Life (576i)

    Vic Regional

    No change as yet.
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    Channel 90 Nine HD Gold Coast 1080i 5.1 sound up and running on the Gold Coast
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    My LG (2011) LED TV did the auto update (no need to rescan)

    09 - Channel 09 Sydney (was previously 09 - Nine Sydney)
    90 - Channel 09 HD Sydney (was previously 90 - GEM)
    92 - 9Gem
    93 - 9Go
    94 - 9Life
    95 - Extra (was previously 94 - eXtra)

    I have also deleted 09 from the channel list so its now:
    ABC (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    Seven (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    Ten (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    Eleven (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    ONE (MPEG2 1440x1080i 16x9 WS 25fps DD5.1 96.1KHz audio)
    TVSN (MPEG2 480x576i WS 16x9 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    Spree (MPEG2 480x576i WS 16x9 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    ABC 2/Kids (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    ABC 3 (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    ABC News 24 (MPEG2 1280x720p WS 16x9 25fps DD5.1 96.1KHs audio)
    SBS HD (MPEG2 1440x1080i 16x9 WS 25fps DD5.1 96.1KHz audio)
    SBS 2 (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    SBS FOOD(MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    NITV (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    TVS(MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    7two (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    7mate (MPEG2 1440x1080i 16x9 WS 25fps DD5.1 96.1KHz audio)
    4ME (MPEG2 480x576i WS 16x9 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    Racing (MPEG4 360x576i WS 16x9 25fps HE-AAC 22KHz audio)
    09 HD (MPEG4 1980x1080i WS 16x9 25fps DD5.1 96.1KHz audio)
    9Gem (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    9Go (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    9Life (MPEG2 720x576i 16x9 WS 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
    eXtra (MPEG2 480x576i WS 16x9 25fps MPEG 48.1KHz audio)
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    I cant say I was terribly surprised to see nothing changed this morning which based on past disinterest in Rural and Regional Australia is par for the course.
    My apologies but I missed that part of pheggie's post that the 'rearrangement' of 'channels' (at least for whoever franchises the NINE network in your area) will be in MPEG4 format so I now have to decide whether to lose the HD channel or try to add a STB to those TV's I have that cant receive it along with the problems posed adding it or just not bother.
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    Here is WIN's response to no 9HD

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheggie View Post
    Here is WIN's response to no 9HD


    More likely the story in my previous post is correct, Nine is trying to shaft Win for 50% revenue and that's why the Win network isn't broadcasting the same channel setup.

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    Got 9hd in Perth Foxtel cable.

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    I wonder just how the TV programs are paid for these days.
    Back before the 'aggregation' occurred, the Regionals actually bought the rights themselves to screen various shows.
    I do remember reading where the Regionals bought the rights to the then block buster Movie 'The Sound of Music' and screened it before the Metro channels did as well a new series of 'Bonanza' and screened it ahead of the Metro channels.
    But now the Regionals are little more than translators so does WIN throw its hat in the ring beside the NINE network when shows are being sold and/or pay a fee to be allowed to be an affiliate like other franchisers do (McDonalds, Hungry Jacks, Domino's etc).
    IF they do pay a Fee, then its obvious the 'Home Office' isnt giving them value for money by not keeping them informed of these changes.
    They are forgetting with both Social Media and Communications being what they are today, they can no longer ignore what they cant see, ie any further than the glow from the Aircraft warning lights on the Transmitter Tower because something like this has crisscrossed the Continent 5 minutes after it was seen no changes were happening to the Region channels and no reasons given as to why.

    Just like the $10 BILLION Dollar 'Lease' of the 'Wires and Poles' in NSW, I wonder how just how many Cents will be allowed grudgingly to trickle over the invisible line between Metro and Regional ?
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    So does this mean when ABC's main channel goes HD it will be in MPEG-4 (1980x1080i) format too ??

    My Kogan PVR works a treat for 9HD and Racing.com!

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    I have to admit that the PQ is quite impressive for the local native HD content. I checked it out on a 79" UHD panel today and the picture looked good; mosquito noise is almost imperceptible and contouring is minimal, text is improved markedly.
    What it does expose is how much make-up is used on these TV presenters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVguy View Post
    What it does expose is how much make-up is used on these TV presenters.
    I noticed that too when I swapped over from analog and how it shows every line and skin imperfections, women seem to be the worst affected, particularly around the throat and back of the hands.
    I know the show is a load of rubbish but in recent times I have noticed how good the lighting and makeup is on the soapie, Bold and the Beautiful which my wife watches everyday.
    Their 'exterior' scenes have made me wonder are they are using CGI to get them to look like its in 3D.
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    Why do you think so many of the ageing female presenters went off for plastic surgery and face lifts!

    Who ever did Kerri-Anne Kennerley's work is a genius (considering what they had to work with)
    Yep, 1080i HD and 60" screens did nothing for these girls and affects of age and studio lighting.
    The Make Up dept must have got a flogging when Digital came in

    Still, i was watching 7Mate earlier (American Football), its meant to be HD and picture was awful, there were 10mm blocks on the screen during fast motion.
    It must be some Low Bite Rate internet stream, then rebroadcast here.... Disgusting.
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    Not 100% sure but 7 get there NFL feed from the IPTV feed that NFL Ticket provide so its all done via cable and not satellite.

    The problem is rebroadcast going from MPEG4 stream of ATSC spec MPEG4 H264 encoded 1980pixels x1080 interlace scan lines 29.997fps to DVB-T spec MPEG2 h263 encoded 1440 pixels x 1080 interlace scan lines 25fps on the fly (as in within 5 second delay + 7 second delay transmission so total 12 seconds behind) so of course its not gonna be as good as a post production version but for what it is its pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    Why do you think so many of the ageing female presenters went off for plastic surgery and face lifts!

    Who ever did Kerri-Anne Kennerley's work is a genius (considering what they had to work with)
    Yep, 1080i HD and 60" screens did nothing for these girls and affects of age and studio lighting.
    The Make Up dept must have got a flogging when Digital came in

    Still, i was watching 7Mate earlier (American Football), its meant to be HD and picture was awful, there were 10mm blocks on the screen during fast motion.
    It must be some Low Bite Rate internet stream, then rebroadcast here.... Disgusting.
    Regarding makeup, there was an interesting story about the renown makeup artist, Max Factor and the problems he faced with filming in colour from black and white.
    And every time new systems are introduced, the older ones look atrocious during the transition.

    As for the poor quality of the picture on 7Mate, would the US system of NTSC (Never the Same Colour Twice) when converted to our PAL system cause that problem, or was it just a shitty link??
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    Not sure Gordon, its probably as Escape from Oz explained.
    The stills were great, but once it moved and there was a lot of data required to be refreshed fast, it went to shit.
    Like watching Netflix when it buffers down to a 348kps stream.

    Same with the New 9HD channel, there are so many degrees of broadcast quality, some look good, other might look great, then some look worse than SD.

    As weirdo said in the new TV thread, why bother with 4K, we cant even get decent 1080i HD in this country, let alone UHD.
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