Police throw sign at Motorcyclist, hitting him in the head

[weirdo]

Who says its more dangerous? The criminal sped down the road and hit a car FFS.

presumably well after the event
what if the rider had lost control of the bike there and then and ploughed into pedestrians/bicyclists?
if you condone this sort of shit you should move to the great old USA where cops can be jury and executioners too

[Mr 672A]

Anyway. I think you all know my position on criticism of police.

Yeah I know that because you bagged me when I criticized the Police as you told me there is no such thing as a Corrupt bent cop. Hey Porkop does that mean you're nick stands for Pig Cop. Talk about cops did anyone see on last nights news those two cops that pulled a guy over and thought he had a gun (no he had no gun) and shot at the guy 10 time only for 5 of the bullets to go through the head of a 5 year old boy. Those cops will get special treatment in jail, you can bet your nuts on that. I doesn't matter where they put them they will get them.

[peteramjet]

who/what law grants them exceptions?
and if that were the case then that would put them 'above' the law
one law for the public and another for the police?
nope sorry, doesn't wash with me

Different laws grant them exceptions - that doesn't put them above the law, it's written in the law. Off the top of my head even a lay person like me can think of the following things police can do that Joe Blogs on the street can't:
- extra arrest powers.
- can take custody of you or me and detain us.
- can seize property from an individual.
- stop/search powers of people and cars.
- uninvited entry to private premises.
- reasonable exception to traffic laws.
- can carry firearm without licence.
- can carry handcuffs/baton/etc without licence.
- no doubt many, many more that allow them to do their jobs.

[enf]

presumably well after the event
what if the rider had lost control of the bike there and then and ploughed into pedestrians/bicyclists?
if you condone this sort of shit you should move to the great old USA where cops can be jury and executioners too

Oh puuuleez....what if he had come off and hurt no one but himself and been arrested, and NOT ploughed into a car (and run from the accident like a coward) putting others lives at risk? One could reasonably infer that he was unlicensed or the bike unregistered or he was pissed or he would not have run.

The reference to the USA is a tad tenuous don't you think?

[weirdo]

Oh puuuleez....

you can beg all you like with your 'puuuleez' or did you try to type 'police' ?

The reference to the USA is a tad tenuous don't you think?

not at all
that's exactly what you end up with, if you condone this sort of shit
two wrongs don't make a right

[weirdo]

Different laws grant them exceptions - that doesn't put them above the law, it's written in the law. Off the top of my head even a lay person like me can think of the following things police can do that Joe Blogs on the street can't:
- extra arrest powers.
- can take custody of you or me and detain us.
- can seize property from an individual.
- stop/search powers of people and cars.
- uninvited entry to private premises.
- reasonable exception to traffic laws.
- can carry firearm without licence.
- can carry handcuffs/baton/etc without licence.
- no doubt many, many more that allow them to do their jobs.

those are all part and parcel of their occupation
nothing to do with special laws
never heard of citizens arrest?

[Rick]

As mentioned, his actions were deliberate and he went out of his way to charge towards the motorcyclist and throw a projectile at him.

What part of any of that is lawful?
May as well just be America then, let them start shooting to stop him.

And what happened further down the road? yea he crashed, clearly a menace on the roads, either way the cops get the last laugh they missed him by throwing an object, but now he's caught they get to throw the book at him, bloody good outcome IMO

[peteramjet]

those are all part and parcel of their occupation
nothing to do with special laws
never heard of citizens arrest?

Exactly. As 'part and parcel' of their jobs they are given exemptions to some laws and extra powers under other laws. Not 'special laws', just extra laws.

The arrest powers of a citizen and police are different. Again, police have extra powers under the law

[weirdo]

Exactly. As 'part and parcel' of their jobs they are given exemptions to some laws and extra powers under other laws. Not 'special laws', just extra laws.

yep agreed
but before you mentioned

but it does grant them exceptions to go outside the laws

not quite the same , is it?

[SpankedHam]

Uh .... no. The cop would have to stop to charge the thrower. Not continue down the road and crash into an innocent motorist like the loon in the video.

Well well. I did learn something today. I never imagined a human being could reach that far and not fall over. Whoops, better check. You are human, right?

[peteramjet]

...not quite the same , is it?

You're talking semantics - there is no difference, and if it was taken that there was a difference, then I'm saying there is not. Being "given exemptions to some laws" that apply to a regular person and "grant(ing) them exemptions to go outside some laws" that apply to a regular person are the same.

[bob_m_54]

So how long "after" they ceased the chase did he crash? and how nearby was he, when they were called to the crash? that would be interesting to know lol

[best4less]

My Dealer never showed up the other day, I wonder :P

[weirdo]

You're talking semantics - there is no difference, and if it was taken that there was a difference, then I'm saying there is not. Being "given exemptions to some laws" that apply to a regular person and "grant(ing) them exemptions to go outside some laws" that apply to a regular person are the same.

absolute rubbish
semantics?

A blue uniform may not put cops above the law, but it does grant them exceptions to go outside the laws

then you are plain and outright wrong
they are not allowed to act outside the law
no matter what you would like it to be

[porkop]

Yeah I know that because you bagged me when I criticized the Police as you told me there is no such thing as a Corrupt bent cop. Hey Porkop does that mean you're nick stands for Pig Cop. Talk about cops did anyone see on last nights news those two cops that pulled a guy over and thought he had a gun (no he had no gun) and shot at the guy 10 time only for 5 of the bullets to go through the head of a 5 year old boy. Those cops will get special treatment in jail, you can bet your nuts on that. I doesn't matter where they put them they will get them.

Are you for real?

Next time you are robbed, assaulted, or violated, call ghost busters.

[Godzilla]

Are you for real?

Next time you are robbed, assaulted, or violated, call ghost busters.

If hes sexually violated, im sure we would all want to hear about it.

[ol' boy]

And what happened further down the road? yea he crashed, clearly a menace on the roads, either way the cops get the last laugh they missed him by throwing an object, but now he's caught they get to throw the book at him, bloody good outcome IMO

What did happen further down the road Rick?
Where in any report does it say he crashed??
It says Police were later called to an incident

As far as we know, that might be where a TMU car deliberately blocked/stopped the person in question, or it might a completely separate incident.
Sure, it is likely to be the motorcyclist in question, but there is no details on the crash i can find.

The chase had been going on for some time prior the second RBT site, i'd hardly be surprised if other units weren't involved in the motorcyclist's crash, from that point, it can be reported many number of ways.

Or maybe he crashed as he could no longer see out of his smashed helmet visor?

In your eyes its Right and Justified, in the Police Force's eye, the matter is under investigation.... That to me, would suggest there is problem with protocol and procedure.

I just hope its not one of your sons that's ever in that situation and a Policeman or anyone for that matter hurls an object at their head while riding.
Its hardly the right thing to do in any situation.

How many times do Police give the Public a lecture on how they could kill someone with tyres like that, or driving like that, or texting, or moving over a solid white line, yet its ok to throw an object at a riders head.... In the name of safety, yeah right.
Obviously it had the desired effect, the rider promptly stopped his motorcycle and handed himself in.

Clearly you would hold the same opinion if that situation had gone bad, where by the rider after being hit by the object, drifted into a parked car and died at the scene.
Im sure the Officers action would be justified.

[peteramjet]

then you are plain and outright wrong
they are not allowed to act outside the law
no matter what you would like it to be

I said they have exceptions to go outside the laws - nothing more. You started arguing semantics in regards to "outside the law".

The comments I wrote were in response to oceanboy's post that "...police live by the same laws we all must live by" and that a uniform "doesn't put them above the law" ()

I agreed a uniform doesn't put them above the law, "but gives them exceptions to go outside the law" ()

You asked "who/what law grants them exceptions? and if that were the case then that would put them 'above' the law" ()

I replied with "different laws grant them exceptions - that doesn't put them above the law" and provided a short list of exceptions for police that I could think of. (

You replied "those are all part and parcel of their occupation, nothing to do with special laws" (

I agreed that they are "given exception to some laws and extra powers under other laws. Not 'special laws', just extra laws." ()

You agreed ()

So, I'll clarify again, in case there is still confusion. Police are given a number exceptions to laws, exceptions that don't apply to those of us who are not police. Some of those exceptions are written in law (ie: arrests/searching/going through red lights/speeding), and these exceptions allow police (whilst doing their job) to do things that would be illegal for you or me to do. Some other exceptions are not written in law and come from common law (ie: carrying a firearms/batons/handcuffs). There is no law that says that can do these things. They are, in effect, acting outside the law - but are exempt.

Either way, my original point to oceanboy was that police do have exceptions to some laws. Nothing more.

[LeroyPatrol]

Are you for real?

Next time you are robbed, assaulted, or violated, call ghost busters.

Everyone loves to hate the police but when something happens, who do they call? Quite funny really

Leroy

[Mr 672A]

Are you for real?

Next time you are robbed, assaulted, or violated, call ghost busters.

Where we come from matters are dealt within the large family (not saying more as this is Australia), we don't go crying to the Police as Most Australians do we just find out the Culprit and deal with it ourselves but you can't do this in this Country you have to rely on the Police to do this for you if they ever get around to it.
Talk about good Cops here is one that I would like to shake his hand and say thank you but as for the rest of the scum that are around that and some other Police Stations I say Phewwww they are on the nose.